Geez I just can't help it... Seven in the catsuit...
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That's definately why she had the catsuit, to bolster up ratings by people who had a similar opinion of it.
But in all honesty... no. I didn't like the catsuit much. I thought it was pretty silly and over-the-top. And, for all intents and purposes, it didn't exist - in four years of Voyager, absolutely nobody ever seemed to notice she was wearing a skin-tight catsuit. She might as well have worn a cardigan and a shawl judging from responses, that always kind of bugged me.
I did watch the show for the Doctor, though, he was always a lark.
But in all honesty... no. I didn't like the catsuit much. I thought it was pretty silly and over-the-top. And, for all intents and purposes, it didn't exist - in four years of Voyager, absolutely nobody ever seemed to notice she was wearing a skin-tight catsuit. She might as well have worn a cardigan and a shawl judging from responses, that always kind of bugged me.
I did watch the show for the Doctor, though, he was always a lark.
Hell's yeah.
I'm not one of these: I think I'm high brow because I'm sexually repressed type of people. I notice beautiful women, the character and body of Seven of Nine was a damn fine.
From Barbarella to Slave Leia to Seven of Nine, the hot space babe has always been a staple of sci-fi.
I'm going to resist the obvious, which is to correct your grammar.
Simplicato, I found the catsuit aesthetically displeasing. It wasn't a big deal, but it was a tad exhibitionist and not particularly attractive. A matter of taste, not intelligence: Disliking it doesn't make me 'high-brow', or vice versa.
Nothing personal against you or any other poster here, so please don't take it as such but I don't care what Trek fans think about Seven or the catsuit anymore.Kegek said:
I'm going to resist the obvious, which is to correct your grammar.
Simplicato, I found the catsuit aesthetically displeasing. It wasn't a big deal, but it was a tad exhibitionist and not particularly attractive. A matter of taste, not intelligence: Disliking it doesn't make me 'high-brow', or vice versa.
Seven of Nine was part of a huge media blitz when she came on the scene. Everything with her image on it sold because both men and even women outside of the Trek fan base found her and that image to be sexy. Trek fans seem to be the only ones that take issue with a woman being a sex symbol or having a good body. Everything becomes a nitpick, which includes even going as far as to comment on someones grammer. We never focus on what makes Trek fun anymore, we only nitpick the bad. Seven and her catsuit is part of what made Voyager fun and why she became a well known character associated with Trek.
Catsuit didn't bother me. She has an awesome body and looked good in it. I thought she looked better when she was wearing normal clothes though. She looked really good in a uniform.
I was kind of surprised she didn't try to get a commission. Try to fully assimilate into her new collective.
I was kind of surprised she didn't try to get a commission. Try to fully assimilate into her new collective.
Wouldn't she need to go to the Academy first?
I'm guessing it would be an insult to those that did go to Starfleet, had years of training and graduated by just giving her a uniform. I believe even the Maquis members that didn't go to Starfleet only had the rank of "crewman".
Plus, I think the point was she needed to find herself and what it means to be an individual first before truly being in a "collective" again. It's one of the reasons she first feared going to Earth.
Remember Wesley Crusher?
Seven was infinitely more qualified then him.
Plus I'm sure she could have taken all her academy courses and test if she wanted to on the ship. Especially given their unique circumstances. Icheb asked her to take the courses with him, but she refused.
Seven was infinitely more qualified then him.
Plus I'm sure she could have taken all her academy courses and test if she wanted to on the ship. Especially given their unique circumstances. Icheb asked her to take the courses with him, but she refused.
I agree with that.
it's an out of the box guess but Wesley grew up in a Starfleet "home", being that both his mother & father both served. So being in that environment, might have "groomed" him better to accept the role.
My take on Icheb was he'd be taking the courses to get a leg up, so he'd be up to speed with other kids his age when/if they got to Earth. I'm not sure if that would qualify him to wear a uniform.
But as I said, those are just an out of the box guess.
And nothing personal taken. I just thought I'd state I dislike Seven's catsuit for different reasons than the ones you outlined - though I've definately seen criticism from that end, too.
Trek sexing itself up I don't have a problem with, specifically. That's all a matter of how it's handled. On the whole, I think there were problems with the Voyager approach that became a lot worse on Enterprise, but Voyager also had a lot of virtues in this that, again, Enterprise lacked.
I don't have a problem with a character being a sex symbol. But I simply didn't consider Jeri Ryan or Seven of Nine to be one. Yep, that's just an honest matter of one guy's probably rather odd tastes. Catsuits and silicone just seem silly.
She definately did, and for those reasons. On the whole I don't begrudge her her popularity: My criticism aside, she was generally well written and acted, one of the best in both cases of Voyager's cast. Her popularity in, er, other respects kept the show going - and gave me my weekly Doctor fix - for the next four years.
Weren't they still 30-40 years away from home when Icheb started to take his academy courses? I always assumed that he would be taking his academy courses via their uplink with Starfleet command. Icheb had the potential to be first officer or captain of Voyager by the time they got home. Also in "Shattered" we saw the adult versions of Icheb and Naomi in Starfleet uniforms. Naomi was a lieutenant and Icheb was a commander, I believe.
The catsuit was padded.
Jeri is not. They're real.
I took much of what we saw as far as the future in "Shattered" as "What if" moment, much like Kes' future in "Before & After". It's could happen but it also might not.
Yes, I forgot the uplink. That's a good possability.
I just don't think Seven had any desire to be in Starfleet.
Which is an interesting issue for Trek. We've always seen mostly what people in Starfleet do and vary rarely do we know what people not in or associated with Starfleet do for a living.
If Seven didn't join Starfleet, then I wonder what other type of career she might have had?
If in the 24th century we don't work for monetary gain, then is it acceptable to just sit home and do nothing all day?
I suppose it could be argued that things in Starfleet had changed by the 24th century, but in the 22nd century we know that T'Pol was given a commission and the rank of Commander without going to the Academy. There was also tacit agreement by Starfleet that a standard uniform was not required because her catsuit was simply "accessorized" to reflect her new status.
So I don't think it would have been out of line for Seven to have gone the same route especially so given Voy's circumstances.
Only, I preferred her in the catsuit rather than a uniform. The one time I remember seeing her in a uniform it just didn't look good to me.
Seven of Nine had the assimilated knowledge of at least a dozen different Starfleet Captains, as well as maybe an Admiral or two. (Omega Directive)
It's not as if she'd ever need to sit a Starfleet exam.
It's not as if she'd ever need to sit a Starfleet exam.
Not to mention, VOY had a history of puttin' its characters into uniform. The Doctor didn't attend the Academy, but his program included the uniform. Kes & Tom's daughter in 'Before & After' had a blue uniform, despite the ship still headin' for Earth. Neelix was also shown in a security uniform. Torres didn't graduate from the Academy, but still got a uniform and a rank. Tom was straight out of prison, but got to wear a uniform in the position of "observer" in 'Caretaker'.
If Seven hadn't "needed" the skin tight catsuit for "dermal healin'" or whatever reason it was the Doctor gave in 'The Gift', she could easily have been put into a blue sciences uniform, no rank necessary.
If Seven hadn't "needed" the skin tight catsuit for "dermal healin'" or whatever reason it was the Doctor gave in 'The Gift', she could easily have been put into a blue sciences uniform, no rank necessary.
Why couldn't she wear the dermal regenerative thingy underneath a standard uniform?
It's like she's walking around naked in her medi-skin.
It's like she's walking around naked in her medi-skin.
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