Gay Star Trek

[Sector 7]

Quote..

"After all, it was integrated in nationality, gender, even species, so why not sexuality?"


Interesting question. If you ask why not sexuality, then the same question should well be added why not polygamy & incest? These are after all all forms of alternative sexual lifestyles. Who is to say which is right & socially acceptable or not? Who is to pass judgement & say same sex is ok, but the other two are not?

The point being, when that door opens, others will want to walk through it, not just same sex oriented persons.

That is a stupid argument! Next you will probably say gays are terrorists... after all, isn't that the next usual step for today's bigots?
I've always found it interesting when the bigots say gay marriages will destroy families, too. I thought that the straights reached the 50%+ divorce rate all by themselves.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

That is a stupid argument! Next you will probably say gays are terrorists... after all, isn't that the next usual step for today's bigots?
I've always found it interesting when the bigots say gay marriages will destroy families, too. I thought that the straights reached the 50%+ divorce rate all by themselves.

And we've worked hard for it, too!

 

[Sulu's Lover]

I'm sure that I will enjoy being a part of this forum.

Cheers

Rob

You will and glad to have another gay guy aboard! I was feeling a bit lonely.
Don't forget to vote for Sulu as the sexiest TOS character.

What?! There are other gay TOS fans besides me?!! I was beginning to feel like the Planet M113 salt vampire--the last of my race! ; )

Great link, too, btw!

Funny.....one of you has a birthday in December,same date as my sisters birthday and the other one Joined December 26 th ,my birthdate.......Is something going on here?What a coincidence.Glad to be aboard.


Rob

 

[Sulu's Lover]

I'm sure that I will enjoy being a part of this forum.

Cheers

Rob

You will and glad to have another gay guy aboard! I was feeling a bit lonely.
Don't forget to vote for Sulu as the sexiest TOS character.

What?! There are other gay TOS fans besides me?!! I was beginning to feel like the Planet M113 salt vampire--the last of my race! ; )

Great link, too, btw!

Lighten up.........I picked the name Sulu's Lover just because it struck me as being funny at the time I posted the gay related link.I did not declare my sexuality and it is not something I push in peoples face.I did not mean to demean George Takei,in fact,I saw him speak at M.I.T. in Cambridge,Ma.in 1996.He is strictly a class act.He spoke about Star Trek and how he was in an interment camp growing up.At the end of the 2 hour presentation,he stood around for at least three hours signing autographs and discussing anything that anyone wanted to talk about.He is a very personable man.He was not out of the closet at this time.Maybe others can take a lesson from him on etiquette.


Rob

Quote..

"After all, it was integrated in nationality, gender, even species, so why not sexuality?"


Interesting question. If you ask why not sexuality, then the same question should well be added why not polygamy & incest? These are after all all forms of alternative sexual lifestyles. Who is to say which is right & socially acceptable or not? Who is to pass judgement & say same sex is ok, but the other two are not?

The point being, when that door opens, others will want to walk through it, not just same sex oriented persons.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Beautiful city, but they should take away the NFL team based on the Mayor's actions!

NFL? Is that still around? I thought that league folded after the 1994 season.

Yep, it is. Although the Niners stink so you may have forgotten about them by now. It's the most popular sport in the United States actually.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Oh bother...not the tired old polygamy thing again.

If the law says person type A and person type B can be joined in a civilly recognized union, it is discriminatory to say person type A can't be with another type A, because that's unequal treatment under the law.

If polygamy or incest was legal for some and not others, then they would be the same legal argument. They're not, ergo, they're a red herring insofar as the same sex argument goes. It's like waving a "shiny thing" to distract from the real issue at hand.

No, it's not. A & B = C (marriage) A & A or B & B do not. When you change the equation you change the result.

 

[Cyrus]

Beautiful city, but they should take away the NFL team based on the Mayor's actions!

NFL? Is that still around? I thought that league folded after the 1994 season.

Yep, it is. Although the Niners stink so you may have forgotten about them by now. It's the most popular sport in the United States actually.

Are you saying NFL is still around and doesn't have a team in the 2nd biggest market in the nation? I don't believe it.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

NFL? Is that still around? I thought that league folded after the 1994 season.

Yep, it is. Although the Niners stink so you may have forgotten about them by now. It's the most popular sport in the United States actually.

Are you saying NFL is still around and doesn't have a team in the 2nd biggest market in the nation? I don't believe it.

They're working on it right now, believe me.

Hey, nice pic of Alton Benes!

 

[voggmo]

Next you will probably say gays are terrorists... after all, isn't that the next usual step for today's bigots?


That's a stupid personal attack. Coming from a bigot, I suppose it's no surprise. Gay's terrorists? Where do you get your kooked out material?

Here's the relevant definition. You fit it perfectly with your post Sector 7.


one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

 

[Mallory]

Let's keep it civil here, OK?

 

[voggmo]

No worries, but he started it-as usual.

 

[voggmo]

&quote;If polygamy or incest was legal for some and not others, then they would be the same legal argument.Legality is but one facet of the equation. It's interesting that gays would demand equality for themselves, but insist on discrimination towards other types of sexual lifestyles at the same time. Incest arguably is closer to mother natures design than same sex is. At least they can produce offspring, while same sex pairing cannot.& what undercuts this entire subject is the point that these topics are adult in nature, & to introduce then into Star Trek makes it no longer a family show where kids particulary, everyone else as well can enjoy it.

 

[Maurice]

Oh bother...not the tired old polygamy thing again.

If the law says person type A and person type B can be joined in a civilly recognized union, it is discriminatory to say person type A can't be with another type A, because that's unequal treatment under the law.

If polygamy or incest was legal for some and not others, then they would be the same legal argument. They're not, ergo, they're a red herring insofar as the same sex argument goes. It's like waving a "shiny thing" to distract from the real issue at hand.

No, it's not. A & B = C (marriage) A & A or B & B do not. When you change the equation you change the result.

Nice try, but the issue isn't A&B=C (Marriage) but that A&B are given rights and priveleges and obligations, and A&A and B&B are not accorded the same just because of gender, which is unequal treatment under the law. That's what's being argued in court case after court case.

Anyway, the above was just my point to illustrate why polygamy, incest, etc., are red herrings where this topic is concerned.

 

[voggmo]

A false point it is, easily dismissed by the fact that Polygamists are seeking the same treatment under the law. As are incest couples.

So what if same sex union is gender based & the other two aren't, are you saying people who seek same legal rights should be discriminated against because their cause isn't Gender based? That's discrimination.

 

[Michael]

Oh my ... I really have to shake my head at this thread. Looks like some will always miss the point.

 

[ST-One]

Ah, I see FrindlyAngel is still around, just abstaining from TNZ.
And voggmo still has not grasp of the quote-function.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Ah, I see FrindlyAngel is still around, just abstaining from TNZ.
And voggmo still has not grasp of the quote-function.

FA is on vacation. I am here, as always, to speak the truth.

 

[ST-One]

Ah, I see FrindlyAngel is still around, just abstaining from TNZ.
And voggmo still has not grasp of the quote-function.

FA is on vacation. I am here, as always, to speak the truth.

Nice to see how you two managed to schedule your vacations so perfectly, that when one is away the other is around...

 

[TheLonelySquire]

Ah, I see FrindlyAngel is still around, just abstaining from TNZ.
And voggmo still has not grasp of the quote-function.

FA is on vacation. I am here, as always, to speak the truth.

Nice to see how you two managed to schedule your vacations so perfectly, that when one is away the other is around...

It is rather fortuitous. I'll give you that much.

 

[Mallory]

Is this thread even remotely discussing Star Trek any more?