and when you're doing long duration space flight they are pretty much impractical.
Hell look at the Shuttle astronauts, one they are in orbit, the space suits come off and the jumpsuits go one.
Gattaca series on TV -as a dramatic police procedural
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and when you're doing long duration space flight they are pretty much impractical.
Hell look at the Shuttle astronauts, one they are in orbit, the space suits come off and the jumpsuits go one.
^But I think that's the point... that during the actual takeoff or landing phase of a spacecraft, when the odds of an accident causing depressurization are at their highest, it makes sense to use the protection of a spacesuit. Even if it makes sense to wear a business suit once you're in orbit or in interplanetary space, it would still be a sensible precaution to wear a pressure suit during takeoff.
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When has a spacesuit ever made the difference during a launch?
There's pretty much only three scenarios. One, it goes off without a hitch. Two, something goes wrong early and its aborted. Three, a catastrophic accident kills everyone in the blink of an eye.
If, in the future, spaceflight is as reliable as an airliner, I don't see why everyone onboard would be wearing a suit. It's more of a psychological piece of mind rather than an actual safeguard.
There's pretty much only three scenarios. One, it goes off without a hitch. Two, something goes wrong early and its aborted. Three, a catastrophic accident kills everyone in the blink of an eye.
If, in the future, spaceflight is as reliable as an airliner, I don't see why everyone onboard would be wearing a suit. It's more of a psychological piece of mind rather than an actual safeguard.
Out of the four manned missions that have killed crews, only one of them would have been saved by wearing space/pressure suits: Soyuz 11 - The crew of three died during descent as an abnormal orbital module separation caused a vent to open, killing the crew of three by asphyxiation (suffocation) before they reached the ground.
For the other three accidents, it would have made no difference:
- Soyuz 1 - Komarov killed by ground impact due to parachute failure
- STS-51L (Challenger) - Crew killed by water impact
- STS-107 (Columbia) - Crew killed by breakup of spacecraft during reentry
So pressure suits do add some extra protection, even though are far from effective in most failure scenarios.
But to argue that future spacecraft crew and passengers will be always be wearing pressure suits during launch is just nonsense. At some point it will be safe enough that it just isn't necessary.
I think the closest aircraft analogy is parachutes. Pilots used to always wear them or have them available. Nowadays there isn't even a single parachute to be found on modern airliners.
For the other three accidents, it would have made no difference:
- Soyuz 1 - Komarov killed by ground impact due to parachute failure
- STS-51L (Challenger) - Crew killed by water impact
- STS-107 (Columbia) - Crew killed by breakup of spacecraft during reentry
So pressure suits do add some extra protection, even though are far from effective in most failure scenarios.
But to argue that future spacecraft crew and passengers will be always be wearing pressure suits during launch is just nonsense. At some point it will be safe enough that it just isn't necessary.
I think the closest aircraft analogy is parachutes. Pilots used to always wear them or have them available. Nowadays there isn't even a single parachute to be found on modern airliners.
Gattaca into a police procedural? I dont like the sound of that at all... Gattaca is my favorite movie, and this does not sound good.. Not good at all.
Re: Gattaca series ideas
producer Gil Grant
Forget racial civil rights, it's starting to sound more like the TV series "Alien Nation" (1989) with alien newcomers and humans which had 22 episodes from 1989-1990.
producer Gil Grant
ideas from his talk with MTV
Forget racial civil rights, it's starting to sound more like the TV series "Alien Nation" (1989) with alien newcomers and humans which had 22 episodes from 1989-1990.
Doesn't sound like there's a need to hang onto the title Gattaca. Just make your own series!
Re: Gattaca series ideas
A predictable approach, but a potentially interesting one. What I mean is the prejudices of the 1960s weren't based on any particularly solid ground, but the prejudice against invalids is supported by science. When your claims of superiority can cite your genetic coding, where do you go from there in treating your fellow man? An invalid could be a better person and maybe if they try hard enough a smarter person, but they have a basic deficiency that's far more fundamentally innate than race or social class or anything else. You may not be better than him, but you've been designed to be so, you've got innately better breaks.
So it's potentially interesting. Potential. As an idea. But I really would expect them just to treat it as any other minority issue, just cut and pasting the interactions from the usual minority tensions, where the division might as well be as arbitrary as any racial barrier.
A predictable approach, but a potentially interesting one. What I mean is the prejudices of the 1960s weren't based on any particularly solid ground, but the prejudice against invalids is supported by science. When your claims of superiority can cite your genetic coding, where do you go from there in treating your fellow man? An invalid could be a better person and maybe if they try hard enough a smarter person, but they have a basic deficiency that's far more fundamentally innate than race or social class or anything else. You may not be better than him, but you've been designed to be so, you've got innately better breaks.
So it's potentially interesting. Potential. As an idea. But I really would expect them just to treat it as any other minority issue, just cut and pasting the interactions from the usual minority tensions, where the division might as well be as arbitrary as any racial barrier.
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Except that's not really true. Genetics isn't destiny. Genes define potential, but how that potential is realized is influenced by many factors -- epigenetic factors within the cells themselves, hormonal factors in the womb, nutrition and environment growing up, the nature of one's education and socialization, and so on.
There's also the fact established in the movie: that undesigned genes can occasionally happen to produce someone just as "superior" as the designed people around him. So lack of engineering doesn't guarantee that a person will have any kind of "deficiency." And where disadvantages do exist, they can often be made up for with hard work and determination.
So the genetic prejudice in the Gattaca world is ultimately just as irrational as any other. Yes, there's science being used to justify it, but that science is being deliberately oversimplified and misinterpreted to support the prejudice -- just like biometric studies were abused in the 19th century to "prove" that whites had larger brains than other races.
Except that's not really true. Genetics isn't destiny. Genes define potential, but how that potential is realized is influenced by many factors -- epigenetic factors within the cells themselves, hormonal factors in the womb, nutrition and environment growing up, the nature of one's education and socialization, and so on.
There's also the fact established in the movie: that undesigned genes can occasionally happen to produce someone just as "superior" as the designed people around him. So lack of engineering doesn't guarantee that a person will have any kind of "deficiency." And where disadvantages do exist, they can often be made up for with hard work and determination.
So the genetic prejudice in the Gattaca world is ultimately just as irrational as any other. Yes, there's science being used to justify it, but that science is being deliberately oversimplified and misinterpreted to support the prejudice -- just like biometric studies were abused in the 19th century to "prove" that whites had larger brains than other races.
For an example of how this can be done well, I suggest looking at Total Recall 2070, a series that is only barely related to the movie it attempts to cash in on (a little bit of stock footage is used in the first episode, and the Rekal corporation is a major player throughout the one and only season).
TR 2070 is an excellent series, one of the better science fiction series of its time, canceled far too early (you know how fickle Showtime can be about Sci-fi). And it was a cop show. But the cop elements didn't detract from the world or the plot. Quite the opposite, they added to it. It wasn't just formulaic, it was a seriously exploration of life in a world made out of several Philip K. Dick novels.
TR 2070 is an excellent series, one of the better science fiction series of its time, canceled far too early (you know how fickle Showtime can be about Sci-fi). And it was a cop show. But the cop elements didn't detract from the world or the plot. Quite the opposite, they added to it. It wasn't just formulaic, it was a seriously exploration of life in a world made out of several Philip K. Dick novels.
^I never got into that series; I watched a little of it, but it didn't leave much of an impression. I did find it odd that, although it was named after Total Recall, it had more in common with Blade Runner.
Which it still wouldn't, really, unless you were gonna have a cocktail party or something.
A business suit is designed for looks. Not for practicality. Even if the astronauts weren't wearing pressurized suits, they wouldn't wear business suits either, because *their* sole function is to make the wearer LOOK good. An astronaut might wear what we would consider street clothes, but this would be limited to something like T-shirt and jeans, because those are for comfort and ease of work - NOT LOOKS. Astronauts don't need to look good.
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That's what I said.
And I've always had half a mind to watch Total Recall 2070, but I doubt it'd replace Valis: An Opera as my favourite unheard of PKD adaptation. That it doesn't resemble the movie much is fine; for all of Verhoven's typical subversiveness (the story looks like an implausible fantasy wish-fulfilment of some nobody because that's exactly what it is) the movie's a big dumb Schwarzenegger vehicle at heart.
That's what I said.
And I've always had half a mind to watch Total Recall 2070, but I doubt it'd replace Valis: An Opera as my favourite unheard of PKD adaptation. That it doesn't resemble the movie much is fine; for all of Verhoven's typical subversiveness (the story looks like an implausible fantasy wish-fulfilment of some nobody because that's exactly what it is) the movie's a big dumb Schwarzenegger vehicle at heart.