Garak - Andrew Robinson’s portrayal
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The only way Dukat almost had Kira was that he almost had her at his throat choking him to death.
Didn't you watch Kira's time travel episode? Nerys was a little girl by the time Meru was taken to be a comfort woman.
When you are a step father, you forget you're not a bio father very quickly. He may not have met 7 year old Kira, but his wife Meru talked about Kira a lot, and Dukat provided for her financially, and this is a biggy... Gul Dukat did not Nuke the Shakar Resistance from orbit because it is wrong to kill your own daughter. Family first.
If she had joined his revolution on that klingons bird of prey against the Dominon, after living on top of each other for a couple weeks, they would have been living inside of each other until the dominion fell. I never realised what a crisis point that episode was. Dukat would never had switched sides if Kira was by his side.
When she tried on that dress he gave her half way through the occupation of DS9, her girly thoughts were "Gosh I look pretty! Gul Dukat wants me to look pretty for him, and I enjoy looking pretty for him, so maybe I should make him feel good so that he gives me more pretty things. I could probably get a really nice bracelet in exchange for a hand job."
And then she vomited a little, realised this fuck face is space Hitler who personally oversaw the deaths of thirty million Bajorans.... Even though it was a very pretty dress.
If she had joined his revolution on that klingons bird of prey against the Dominon, after living on top of each other for a couple weeks, they would have been living inside of each other until the dominion fell. I never realised what a crisis point that episode was. Dukat would never had switched sides if Kira was by his side.
When she tried on that dress he gave her half way through the occupation of DS9, her girly thoughts were "Gosh I look pretty! Gul Dukat wants me to look pretty for him, and I enjoy looking pretty for him, so maybe I should make him feel good so that he gives me more pretty things. I could probably get a really nice bracelet in exchange for a hand job."
And then she vomited a little, realised this fuck face is space Hitler who personally oversaw the deaths of thirty million Bajorans.... Even though it was a very pretty dress.
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No, absolutely not.
Kira was never going to join Dukat's private little war against the Klingons. A few days to help him to revenge for the Bajorans they killed, but that was the end of it. Dukat's hoping she would join him was pure wishful thinking on his part.
And Kira admired the dress for a few seconds, it was pretty, but she was never going to accept it or wear it.
Dukat was absolute poison to her. She'd get more pleasure out of killing him than wearing his stupid dress.
Kira was never going to join Dukat's private little war against the Klingons. A few days to help him to revenge for the Bajorans they killed, but that was the end of it. Dukat's hoping she would join him was pure wishful thinking on his part.
And Kira admired the dress for a few seconds, it was pretty, but she was never going to accept it or wear it.
Dukat was absolute poison to her. She'd get more pleasure out of killing him than wearing his stupid dress.
Dukat was the best villain in Star Trek!
And the Cardassians were the perfect "bad guys", much better than the Borg. They didn't have super powers or superior technology or weren't inhuman killing machines. Instead they were cunning, smart, violent and unreliable.
And at the end of the series, I cheered for them when they fought the genocidial Dominion!
And the Cardassians were the perfect "bad guys", much better than the Borg. They didn't have super powers or superior technology or weren't inhuman killing machines. Instead they were cunning, smart, violent and unreliable.
And at the end of the series, I cheered for them when they fought the genocidial Dominion!
Having just completed a re-watch of the entire series...
No, he was not. In every single scene, Robinson clearly plays Garak as being uncomfortable with Ziyal's feelings for him and as lacking sexual feelings for her. Even when she kisses him, I seem to remember that he pointedly does not kiss back.
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Apropros of nothing, here are some lovely pieces of Garak fan art!
Sorry, these are your and some other peoples fantasies and have nothing to do with any events in the series.Having just completed a re-watch of the entire series...
No, he was not. In every single scene, Robinson clearly plays Garak as being uncomfortable with Ziyal's feelings for him and as lacking sexual feelings for her. Even when she kisses him, I seem to remember that he pointedly does not kiss back.
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Apropros of nothing, here are some lovely pieces of Garak fan art!
I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. I merely thought fans of Elim Garak would enjoy some lovely pieces of Elim Garak fan art in this thread about the character.
Andrew Robinson plays a part in a particular way in one episode, and somehow it affects the feelings of several characters for one another? Marc Alaimo makes specific performance choices, and it is used to justify a genocidaire's advances towards his victims?
The documentary made very clear that Behr and the writers were too cowardly to attempt to make Garak a gay character. It's not even addressed whether or not they would do the same to Bashir, or that they would make a couple. Indeed, there is a definitive statement from the series about Bashir's interest in Garak: when Garak showed up in Bashir's holodeck program, Bashir took that as an extreme invasion of his privacy. Similarly, any relationship between Kira and Dukat was just considered as a method of screwing with the character, which they ultimately rejected. They were not looking for ways in which to redeem Dukat, but to make him more of an asshole.
The subtext is often intentional and interesting. I have said quite strongly that I believe the writers used Bashir to comment on masculinity and sexual identity. Indeed, if we were to take the subtext as truth, that Bashir would have been pursuing O'Brien, not Garak.
But subtext is not text. Subtext uses text in order to explore deeper truths, but it cannot overthrow the plain meaning of the text. Superman and Batman were both created by Jewish artists and writers, and they were imbued with values and concerns that reflected the writers' Judaism. However, there is no reason to believe that Clark Kent lights candles on Shabbos, and we don't need to speculate on whether or not Bruce Wayne is circumcized, ritually or medically. Frasier and Niles Crane were, by the admission of the writers, used to comment of relationships between gay men, but to say that the characters were incestuously involved with one another is laughable.
Similarly, Dukat's attraction for Kira is a wonderful study in sadism. It is not tenderness or sentimentality. There is no reason to believe that Kira must reciprocate. Where such relationships have existed, they were clearly exploitative.
Star Trek clearly needed to show a relationship between men infinitely more than it needed to show sexual exploitation by genodical dictators. Luckily, Discovery has rectified this without the need for brazen shipping. Stamets and Culber are a lovely couple, and Wilson Cruz has become one of the strongest members of the cast. I dare say it is a better relationship than any of these we are imagining, far better than those we can see in subtext.
The documentary made very clear that Behr and the writers were too cowardly to attempt to make Garak a gay character. It's not even addressed whether or not they would do the same to Bashir, or that they would make a couple. Indeed, there is a definitive statement from the series about Bashir's interest in Garak: when Garak showed up in Bashir's holodeck program, Bashir took that as an extreme invasion of his privacy. Similarly, any relationship between Kira and Dukat was just considered as a method of screwing with the character, which they ultimately rejected. They were not looking for ways in which to redeem Dukat, but to make him more of an asshole.
The subtext is often intentional and interesting. I have said quite strongly that I believe the writers used Bashir to comment on masculinity and sexual identity. Indeed, if we were to take the subtext as truth, that Bashir would have been pursuing O'Brien, not Garak.
But subtext is not text. Subtext uses text in order to explore deeper truths, but it cannot overthrow the plain meaning of the text. Superman and Batman were both created by Jewish artists and writers, and they were imbued with values and concerns that reflected the writers' Judaism. However, there is no reason to believe that Clark Kent lights candles on Shabbos, and we don't need to speculate on whether or not Bruce Wayne is circumcized, ritually or medically. Frasier and Niles Crane were, by the admission of the writers, used to comment of relationships between gay men, but to say that the characters were incestuously involved with one another is laughable.
Similarly, Dukat's attraction for Kira is a wonderful study in sadism. It is not tenderness or sentimentality. There is no reason to believe that Kira must reciprocate. Where such relationships have existed, they were clearly exploitative.
Star Trek clearly needed to show a relationship between men infinitely more than it needed to show sexual exploitation by genodical dictators. Luckily, Discovery has rectified this without the need for brazen shipping. Stamets and Culber are a lovely couple, and Wilson Cruz has become one of the strongest members of the cast. I dare say it is a better relationship than any of these we are imagining, far better than those we can see in subtext.
I don't know exactly what that meant. None of it, actually.I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about. I merely thought fans of Elim Garak would enjoy some lovely pieces of Elim Garak fan art in this thread about the character.
I see no purpose at all to come up with a load of Photoshopped pictures and drawings with someones fantasies about two Star Trek characters in this discussion, other than maybe a lame, somewhat childish attempt to annoy those who simply refer to what's actually been stated in the series.
Just for your information, I wasn't annoyed, merely confused.
...what’s stated in the series...?! OMG, that first scene in Past Prologue practically screams that Garak is checking Bashir out and wants to have sex with him. Just ask any of your gay friends about that scene
Wait—if you didn’t realize THAT was gay, you might not realize that your gay friends are gay.
Wait—if you didn’t realize THAT was gay, you might not realize that your gay friends are gay.
I don't understand why some people seem to get so upset about people ruminating on this board.
We don't know that Kirk's heterosexual. It seems likely based on the evidence, but we don't know it. And the same goes for most of the Trek characters, including Garak and Bashir.
Where's the harm in letting people speculate? How does it hurt anyone else?
We don't know that Kirk's heterosexual. It seems likely based on the evidence, but we don't know it. And the same goes for most of the Trek characters, including Garak and Bashir.
Where's the harm in letting people speculate? How does it hurt anyone else?
Is there harm? I seem to remember that both Shatner and Nimoy were greatly discomforted by the pornographic images created of them. They were portrayed in ways that abused their personal images and depicted them in acts they did not want to contemplate. So, yes, there can be harm. (It is far worse when it involves minors, like Daniel Radckliffe and Emma Watson).
And confronted with evidence versus no evidence, evidence wins. If something is just based on speculation, it lacks reality, nothing to bring the argument to life. At least with Garak, there is one episode in which Robinson portrayed a sexual attraction to Bashir--infintely more evidence than there is for Kirk's potential homosexuality. I believe that The Search pt II shows that the crew believed that Garak was not strictly heterosexual. From the mid third season to the end of the series, there was no development along those lines. Indeed, Garak reveals attraction to Kira (debatable, when in Cardassian guise) and Tora Ziyal, when watching the spring ball match. All the qualities in Past Prologue were washed away quickly. Robinson himself suggested that anything that could be considered sexually dangerous was effaced from the character. Unless we consider being a catty dressmaker to revelatory, the trail ends quickly after Past Prologue. As Ira Steven Behr admitted, they lacked the courage to make Garak gay.
Garak's sexuality is obviously frustrating. On the one hand, there is Robinson's performance. On the other, there was the producers' and writers' avoidance (if not denial). The latter made the wrong choice, but it was their choice to make. Conversely, there is a reality, from Robinson's performance, that cannot be erased. Garak is an officially heterosexual (perhaps not strictly) that is nonetheless rife with ideas about homosexuality. In literature and the arts, the two are not only not contradictory, they are somewhat common. Talking about Garak's homosexuality--or pansexuality, or hedonism--is finally an intellectual activity that does not overturn to plain meaning of the text.
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I must admit that I find it both amazing and amusing how some people are trying to transfer their own interests, sexuality, political beliefs or whatever it might be on the Star Trek characters, even in cases where 90% of what's written, or aired contradicts whatever they want to add to the characters.
Wouldn't it be better to create own charaters with those interests, sexuality, political beliefs or whatever it might be and write fanfiction or novels instead?
But I've actually started thinking of doing the same for my favorite characters, giving them certain abilities, behavior and interests which I have.
No, I won't go into sex here because it's a very touchy subject. I'm a stright guy myself but I have no prejudgement about other people, what they do in their own bedrooms are not of my concern as long as it don't hurt anyone, like rape and such horrible things.
So there would be no sex fantasies here, not even a relationship between my favorites Kes (Voyager) and Garak (DS9)
However, I've been toying with the idea of turning my favorite characters in Star Trek into copies of myself with a liking for hard rock and some sports, lie ice hockey.
So let me present my first creation, someone who will make a successful appearance as singer at Quark's on DS9 tonight!
Ladies and Gentlemen: IronGarak!
Run to the hiiiiiiiiiilllls!
Run for your liiiiiiiiiiiiife!
Wouldn't it be better to create own charaters with those interests, sexuality, political beliefs or whatever it might be and write fanfiction or novels instead?
But I've actually started thinking of doing the same for my favorite characters, giving them certain abilities, behavior and interests which I have.
No, I won't go into sex here because it's a very touchy subject. I'm a stright guy myself but I have no prejudgement about other people, what they do in their own bedrooms are not of my concern as long as it don't hurt anyone, like rape and such horrible things.
So there would be no sex fantasies here, not even a relationship between my favorites Kes (Voyager) and Garak (DS9)
However, I've been toying with the idea of turning my favorite characters in Star Trek into copies of myself with a liking for hard rock and some sports, lie ice hockey.
So let me present my first creation, someone who will make a successful appearance as singer at Quark's on DS9 tonight!
Ladies and Gentlemen: IronGarak!
Run to the hiiiiiiiiiilllls!
Run for your liiiiiiiiiiiiife!
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Did the FCC raised their arms a crazed when Ira produced the episode "Rejoined"? If Ira wanted Garak bi or anything else he could've and wrote it in a creative way.
