Garak - Andrew Robinson’s portrayal

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  1. DonIago

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    I watched the clip and nothing there seems to be specifically about gay sex so much as depicting sexual activity in general.
     
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  2. Maurice

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    Perhaps it's edited, but notice he only mentions women and women and men and men and implied sex.
     
  3. DonIago

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    I'd need more evidence than a single possibly-edited video clip that doesn't have him explicitly saying anything especially horrible.
     
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  4. Xhiandra

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    I mean, the lyrics are clearly written by Garak:

    Stranger in a strange land
    Land of ice and snow
    Trapped inside this prison
    Lost and far from home
     
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  5. Lynx

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    Yes! Yes! Yes!
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    That's exactly why I consider Garak to be a fan of Iron Maiden, a legendary musical ensemble from the 20th-21th century.

    Not to mention how another song by this legendary ensemble fit perfectly to describe Garak's feelings about ending up on Deep Space Nine and especially his feelings after the death of Tora Ziyal.

    "Maybe one day I'll be an honest man
    Up till now I'm doing the best I can
    Long roads.Long days, of sunrise, to sunset
    Sunrise to sunset

    Dream on brothers while you can
    Dream on sisters I hope you will find the one
    All of our lives, covered up quickly by the tides of time

    Spend your days full of emptiness
    Spend your years full of loneliness
    Wasting love, in a desperate caress
    Rolling shadows of night"
     
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  6. STEPhon IT

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  7. Guy Gardener

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    Cute. Can you name another 40?

    I saw a YouTube claiming, and rightly so, that Ross Ghellar is a huge asshole. One of the complaints was that his kid Ben was only in 10 episodes of the show.
     
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    Ross had many character problems, but he did support his ex wife when she told him she was gay. He even gave her away when she married Susan
     
  9. Guy Gardener

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    Bobo the Sperm Guy did a good deed.
     
  10. STEPhon IT

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    LOL. No, but I made a mistake on writing Ellen Morgan played by Ellen DeGeneres because she's a main character, but I appreciated her character's journey of finding herself and it's a pretty funny series.
     
  11. ThreeEdgedSword

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    I can't name 40, but Roseanne had several recurring gay* characters. Frasier hat three episodes with sympathetic, relatable gay guest characters (and only one, played by our very own SPS, was flamboyant). Maybe not much, but certainly more than Trek ever tried in the Nineties.

    * Correction: one gay, one bisexual character, iirc.
     
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  12. Guy Gardener

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    Util Grammy and Sassy Smurf turned up and there were no female smurfs that were not artificially and magically invented by the evil Gargamel, and they reproduced by stork.

    One hundred little blue gay dudes.
     
  13. oberth

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    did you see them doing anything gay? are all the guys in a monestary gay?
     
  14. Guy Gardener

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    No, but at least half of them are pedophiles.
     
  15. Xhiandra

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    Not only are we the second country to legalise gay marriage, but we had gay characters in fiction since the 50s! That could be enough to make a Belgian proud.
    But being proud of your country isn't a Belgian thing to do, so I can't.
     
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  16. at Quark's

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    I still think this scene from The Wire is one of the finest Garak moments (both in terms of adding more depth to the Garak character and in term of Robinson's acting).
     
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  17. Lynx

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    Well, Garak's behavior here reminds me of how I behave after watching my favorite hockey team lose a game on TV! :lol:

    Honestly, "The Wire" is a great episode, one of my favorite DS9 episodes. I watched it yesterday again and I agree that it really added even more depth to the character than we had before. Not to mention that robinsons acting is superb.But he always did a great job while portraying Garak. :techman:
     
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    True, but was the nature of the character used as outlandish as other characters in the same way or given special treatment as the butt of jokes? (I might opine the former, but others would cite the latter. I've seen third party review videos but haven't seen the actual show. Only that it was made for adults.)

    ^^this

    My understanding, via a different and longer video interview with him, is that Behr wanted to dive into the characters of Riker and Picard rather than making it the lighthearted XXX-rated romp that Gene never seemed to get tired of. Behr knew Roddenberry's idea of mass orgies in scenes' background wouldn't begin to fly, but when he went to Berman, he was told to go see Gene. Gene loathed the character depth but really wanted that pleasure planet...

    Worse, "Justice" already had been rewritten/clobbered by Gene's infection-laden fantasy of the future and also reminded showed how crass that episode was. Doesn't matter who's oiled up, it was lame in season 1 and certainly felt out of place in season 3. I'm more amazed Behr didn't ask to have his writing credit removed!

    That said, it all still didn't stop "Captain's Holiday" from the end goal of getting Picard some. Also, how many people watch a show just to count the number of times someone is getting some? TOS is more exciting in that regard (note: it isn't more exciting in that regard, it wasn't any less crass but a lot of audiences liked it so those who didn't care for one aspect liked the show for others...)
     
  19. Maurice

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    Everyone on that show was outlandish. If the show misfired in any way it was eventually backing off his his being Kinsey 6 gay by having him father a child.
     
  20. dupersuper

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    I mean, the whole thing was a soap opera satire, thus intentionally ridiculous, but I don't think any one who sees the sex change/suicide episode would say he was the butt of jokes...