Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

[Cyrus]

Still majorly disappointed about what a dud the Night-King turned out to be though... that was lame.

I have some issues with the latest episode, but loved the Night King episode.

They had already established that Valeryan steele was kryptonite for the White Walkers, and that Arya was a master assassin. So it was a surprising but logical conclusion for that storyline.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

My first thought was, "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death..."

I keep wishing we could put this idea to bed. Death rode the Pale Horse (Dun) not the White Horse.

The White Horse

I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, “Come and see!” I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. ( Revelation 6:1-2)

The Red Horse

When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, “Come and see!” Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. ( Revelation 6:3-4)

The Black Horse

When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “A quart of wheat for a day’s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!” (Revelation 6:5-6)

The Pale Horse

When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come and see!” I looked and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine, and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. (Revelation 6:7-8)

 

[Rahul]

I have some issues with the latest episode, but loved the Night King episode.

They had already established that Valeryan steele was kryptonite for the White Walkers, and that Arya was a master assassin. So it was a surprising but logical conclusion for that storyline.

Couldn't they have at least have Arya wear a White Walker face-mask to explain how she got that close to him?

Also, I think there should have been at least a single episode going a bit deeper into the WW's and their culture. They were clearly intelligent - even had a sense of art.

Like, other shows like Stargate:Atlantis or Battlestar Galactica - which had equally universal threats in the Wraith and the Cylons - managed to go into great details into the inner workings and characters of their ultimate monsters. I wanna' know how the White Walkers personally think about their mission, dammit! Do they see it as a commitment? Do they actually enjoy it? Or is it a drive like a force of nature? No matter what - at least one of them should have had a conversation with someone at some point. And if it's onle via Bran-o-vision.

 

[Miss Chicken]

We were quite happy to watch Star Trek for years without them going deep into the origins of the Borg. We will Learn more about the White Walkers in the prequel.

 

[Cyrus]

Couldn't they have at least have Arya wear a White Walker face-mask to explain how she got that close to him?

They didn't have faces, they were icemen. As for getting close, that's why Arya was the perfect character to do it. Assassinations are her specialty.

Also, I think there should have been at least a single episode going a bit deeper into the WW's and their culture. They were clearly intelligent - even had a sense of art.

Like, other shows like Stargate:Atlantis or Battlestar Galactica - which had equally universal threats in the Wraith and the Cylons - managed to go into great details into the inner workings and characters of their ultimate monsters. I wanna' know how the White Walkers personally think about their mission, dammit! Do they see it as a commitment? Do they actually enjoy it? Or is it a drive like a force of nature? No matter what - at least one of them should have had a conversation with someone at some point. And if it's onle via Bran-o-vision.

You answered this yourself. They were force of nature, kind of like Borg before the Borg Queen.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

It would make sense if Dany becomes a White Walker and the new Night Queen.
It would in retrospect give the Night King the exact same motivation and explain the smile he had when she tried to burn him.

 

[Set Harth]

Chris Cuomo just spoiled GOT on CNN. Facepalm...

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Emilia posted this on her Instagram. Our Khalessi is still hot stuff.

 

[Set Harth]

Jesus Christ. Nightmares.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Cersei and Jaime are literally the only two characters who ultimately weren't failed by the writing this season since his choosing to go back to her and die in her arms is actually 100% in-character for him.

Nope.

It pretty much renders his entire journey pointless and lacking in meaning. It means his character didn't change at all.

Which isn't true. He did change. Except when he didn't.

Ridiculous.

 

[DigificWriter]

Nope.

It pretty much renders his entire journey pointless and lacking in meaning. It means his character didn't change at all.

Which isn't true. He did change. Except when he didn't.

Ridiculous.

We have numerous examples from the series that refute this argument... including a dialogue exchange from A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms between Jaime and Tyrion.

 

[Professor Zoom]

We have numerous examples from the series that refute this argument... including a dialogue exchange from A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms between Jaime and Tyrion.

So? What's your point?
We've also seen people grow and change.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

It would make sense if Dany becomes a White Walker and the new Night Queen.
It would in retrospect give the Night King the exact same motivation and explain the smile he had when she tried to burn him.

It would make sense if there were evidence that he had been setting this up all along like a line of dominoes and there is no way Dany could avoid it. That would have had to have been set up a few seasons ago.

 

[Infern0]

It's clear that without the source material this show has been going downhill for a long time. The last few episodes have been just bad.

They are rushing to an ending and making big choices that make no sense.

The only way they can somewhat savage it will be Jon doing Dany in and sitting on the throne, that will be a satisfying ending even if the way we got there was stupid

 

[DigificWriter]

So? What's your point?
We've also seen people grow and change.

My point is that your argument that Jaime going back to Cersei is out-of-character and/or an "undoing" of his character development is false based on the contents of the series itself.

 

[Infern0]

They didn't have faces, they were icemen. As for getting close, that's why Arya was the perfect character to do it. Assassinations are her specialty.



You answered this yourself. They were force of nature, kind of like Borg before the Borg Queen.

You can try and defend it bit the borg were not a 7 year long antagonist in TNG. They were a recurring villain that appeared like 5 times In the whole show.

The white Walkers were set up in the first SCENE of this show and we're the primary antagonist ever since.

And in the end after 7 years they were actually pretty useless.

They are rushing to an ending and the result is stuff that thematically makes sense

"We need to kill off the white Walkers we only have 4 episodes left, what to do?"

"Have Arya stab the night king, she's a fan favourite, that'll keep em happy"

That's the quality of writing we are getting and it's insulting to GRRM frankly

 

[EmoBorg]

I was not a fan of Sansa in the first season because she was infatuated with Joffery who already was an arsehole.

But now i hope Sansa takes the throne. She was smart enough to recognize Dany as a danger while Jon was was simply too naive to see it.

 

[Professor Zoom]

My point is that your argument that Jaime going back to Cersei is out-of-character and/or an "undoing" of his character development is false based on the contents of the series itself.

Funny, I was arguing the same thing. Clearly—as evidenced by the shows—since he lost his hand, Jaimie changed.

Having him go back and do the same thing over, as if he hadn’t changed, was an undoing of the work they did for seasons.

It would have been more interesting, and more of a subversion, if Jaime hadn’t gone. Walked away from the role of a fighter. And died in the arms of the woman he loved, Brienne, of old age.

Characters change in stories. That’s the point.

 

[Xerxes82]

Characters change in stories. That’s the point.

And sometimes, in real life, they don't. They work hard. They try. But then they fall back into old or familiar patterns of self destruction. Sometimes all the effort in the world just falls short. Failure defines us as much as success.

Cersei was the thing Jaime could never escape. Maybe he'd done too many awful things. Maybe it was just reflexive, because he'd done it so many times before. But when her life was threatened, he knew he had to go to her, no matter how much he knew he shouldn't. He failed to become a better man.

His failure doesn't undercut the journey he took to get there. On the contrary, his end only works because of everything he has thrown away. The tragedy is in seeing that there can be a better man named Jaime Lannister, and seeing Jaime fail to be that man when it counts. There was a lot of that going around last night.

 

[Spider]

I think it's obvious the writers and producers are rushing the ending and trying to wrap it all up. But in the end, it's just a show with cool dragons and a cute blonde that rides them and lots of villainy people. I appreciate the show for it's obviousness and enjoy it on that level. It's been a great ride.

Although it may be to cliche, I hope Sansa gets the throne. The previews, which are almost always misleading, say otherwise. Can't wait.