Pretty certain he lived. in the season 4 preview she is kissing someone and don’t see it being anyone but Gendry.
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Pretty certain he lived. in the season 4 preview she is kissing someone and don’t see it being anyone but Gendry.
It was only the Frey men that Arya killed. I am sure many of those men had sons who were still children and thereby escaped Arya’s revenge.
The darkness and the confusion and the lack of clarity of what was going in thr Dragon battle (and the ground battle with the troops) is precisely why I love those sequences. In a real battle, it's very confusing what's going on, especially at night. Shooting and editing those sequences in such way helps the viewer feel thr same confusion in the chaos in the battle as our heroes.
The humor we are getting through this episode is amazing. Check out the hashtag Bran on twitter.
A lot of people bring up the point of Bran warging into a raven during the battle. My answer to that is clearly he was going to poop on the dead. That would annoy them.
Yeah, but they are telling a story, and as a member of the audience, I want to see the story. If I can't follow it, it takes away from it. I want clear shots of who is doing what. Compare this to the Avengers battle in Endgame. I won't say anymore about that because I'm in the wrong thread, but I felt that battle was much better shot (though I would have also preferred it happening in the day time.
The more I think about it, the more I love what Arya did.
She used the dagger that Bran gave to her in the exact same spot where she would use the dagger.
Did Bran know? I think he did.
It's almost like he saw 14 million possible outcomes and only one where the good guys win.
Heaven forbid, someone likes other aspects of the show than you
Yes, discussing issues in a discussion thread. Perish the thought.
I'm just saying that its the end of the show and its denoument. I'm curious what people who find this to be a poor ending to the White Walker campaign would have preferred.
Any good tactician would have started the battle with a dragon airstrike. That would have reduced the enemy considerably. See also desert Storm. The poor Dothraki were thrown away, for all their loyalty. If Melisandre hadn't shown up to light their blades, they wouldn't even have had weapons that would have worked!
One other interesting question that this raises, is Dany’s fire resistance related to the NK’s?
One thing I thought might happen that didn’t was the tree god suddenly opening its eyes and helping somehow.
The winner of the Iron Throne May be less important than defeating the dead but it’s more interesting on a character level. There were no hard choices in this episode, we either fight together or we all die. Now the last three episodes is all hard choices. Ambition versus community. Do we all fall back on the ugly human nature that dominated the first two thirds of the show, or do we really put the fight to rest?
One thing I thought might happen that didn’t was the tree god suddenly opening its eyes and helping somehow.
The winner of the Iron Throne May be less important than defeating the dead but it’s more interesting on a character level. There were no hard choices in this episode, we either fight together or we all die. Now the last three episodes is all hard choices. Ambition versus community. Do we all fall back on the ugly human nature that dominated the first two thirds of the show, or do we really put the fight to rest?
Agreed.
OTOH, the Night King would have just raised those who died by dragon again. Just that they wouldn't have thrown the Dothraki in. That's my issue with this battle, no strategy to take out the big guns except for "Here is bait!Bran". Why not for example turn the tables and try to build a giant crossbow like the one last season in order to get the Night King off the dragon? *Something* other than just walk like a lamb to slaughter.
And why exactly didn't Jon take off when the call for the dragon fire came? He had just landed on the wall and should have been able to hear the call for the fire...
As the for the battle overall:
It was clear how it would end. Jon wouldn't die, as all the build-up that went into the revelation that he's a Targaryen and the true heir would have been for nothing. So it was just a matter of who other than Jon would die, and all the major characters still have issues with Cersei, so there's still a story to tell...
So, IMO they should have dealt with the Iron Throne issue first, and then have whoever was left have the battle with the Night King. Then the outcome would have been open as I wouldn't have put it past them to have the Night King as ultimate winner/only "survivor".
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That's actually an interesting point. And the way my interests lean, this is the more involving issue, indeed (as I'm not for open mass battle scenes). I'm just not sure, the series can pull that off as "even better than the big battle".
Dany’s story is the most interesting one not resolved. Her Saga has been a story of a woman feeling entitled to her birthright to be Queen. But, having an internal struggle between her inner gentleness and her insane vindictiveness that is a legacy of her father. These two traits will probably come in direct conflict and she will have to choose between power and virtue.
I would not be shocked if it ends with her screaming “BURN THEM ALL!”
I would not be shocked if it ends with her screaming “BURN THEM ALL!”
That was an epic episode! Truly epic. 
I was expecting a few more character deaths, but I'm really glad that quite a few have survived for the last three episodes. Poor Lady Lyanna! Although she had one of the most badass deaths I've ever seen on the show. Right up there with Theon's and Jorah's as well.
I wondered if Arya would be the one to do the deed being as she requested a new weapon from Gendry. It turns out that it was a different weapon in the end, but she still done good. I really thought Night King had her at the end, but alas, it was some cunning hand-play. The way his death made the very sudden disappearance of the rest of the NIght Army may have been a tad quick, after all of these years of building to it.
On the whole it was fabulous episode. It was very tense, and very cinematic. I'll rewatch it again in a few days with my friend who hasn't seen it yet. I can't wait.
I was expecting a few more character deaths, but I'm really glad that quite a few have survived for the last three episodes. Poor Lady Lyanna! Although she had one of the most badass deaths I've ever seen on the show. Right up there with Theon's and Jorah's as well.
I wondered if Arya would be the one to do the deed being as she requested a new weapon from Gendry. It turns out that it was a different weapon in the end, but she still done good. I really thought Night King had her at the end, but alas, it was some cunning hand-play. The way his death made the very sudden disappearance of the rest of the NIght Army may have been a tad quick, after all of these years of building to it.
On the whole it was fabulous episode. It was very tense, and very cinematic. I'll rewatch it again in a few days with my friend who hasn't seen it yet. I can't wait.
A flanking attack by the Dothraki like the one by the Rohan in The Return of The King, could have gotten better results.
Those pits with stakes were effective in the sense that they broke up the en mass charge by the undead towards the defenders. The defenders should have kept behind the pits and the Unsullied could have picked off any undead, making it through, with their spears. Then the dragons could have have lit up the pits.
Regarding the major deaths,
Lyanna Mormont : I was sad to see Lyana Mormont die but she went down like a Boss.
Lord Commander Edd Tollett: The Last Lord Commander of the Night Watch died. His death is poignant in the sense that the Order is needed no more. He was a good and decent man.
Melisandre : She was useful as a Fire Starter at a Barbecue. She did make Arya realize her potential towards the end.
Jorah Mormont : It was the saddest death for me And i think that Daenerys just lost the person that she can trust the most.
Theon Greyjoy : He died a hero. Yara would be proud. Even Euron, i suspect, would think better of him now.
Beric Dondarrion : I actually liked him. He was religious but also likeable. He would be drinking with Thoros of Myr in the Lord of Light's heaven right now.
Night King : How little we knew him. I would love a backstory about him.
Special mention : Viserion, Lady Karstark and the Dothraki advisor, Qhono.
Apparently John and Daeneyrs believed that they had to hide their dragons. Which....is stupid and unnecessary. The Night King would come no matter what.
Bran said so.
And it got an entire race killed.
I thought the whole point of burning the dead was because they couldn't be brought back then. I assume that includes the burnt members of the army too.
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Hmmm. Definitely and epic battle, but I give an 8/10. Lots of great stuff going but weird stuff too.
The good. The battle itself was epic. It had a nice ebb and flow. Great character moments even during the heat of battle.
The other stuff:
Turn on the lights! I get that it's a night battle but when you can't see what is going on, it's a problem. Rookie mistake there. Also, what is the point of Bran? They spend so much time developing is abilities, but what does he do? He doesn't really help them much or say much. During the battle he went flying with the crows, but to what end? It's just odd. Seems like he's not really using his powers to help.
Is this really the end of the Night King and the dead? It's odd to end a series long threat in a single battle. And, the way of ending was too convenient and anti-climatic. Arya jumps out of nowhere to stab the Night King?! The ends the entire battle? Just seems way too convenient. If the Night King is so fragile, why stroll around so casually. And, one Valerian steel arrow would kill him too. Surprised they didn't think of that.
I did think for awhile now that Arya would be the one to kill the Night King--but the ending seemed too simple.
So, great battle but some not so good stuff. Not sure if they've built up the Night King and his army of the Dead and Bran's abilities all for this? If so, kind of wasted. But, perhaps they're not done yet. We'll see.
The good. The battle itself was epic. It had a nice ebb and flow. Great character moments even during the heat of battle.
The other stuff:
Turn on the lights! I get that it's a night battle but when you can't see what is going on, it's a problem. Rookie mistake there. Also, what is the point of Bran? They spend so much time developing is abilities, but what does he do? He doesn't really help them much or say much. During the battle he went flying with the crows, but to what end? It's just odd. Seems like he's not really using his powers to help.
Is this really the end of the Night King and the dead? It's odd to end a series long threat in a single battle. And, the way of ending was too convenient and anti-climatic. Arya jumps out of nowhere to stab the Night King?! The ends the entire battle? Just seems way too convenient. If the Night King is so fragile, why stroll around so casually. And, one Valerian steel arrow would kill him too. Surprised they didn't think of that.
I did think for awhile now that Arya would be the one to kill the Night King--but the ending seemed too simple.
So, great battle but some not so good stuff. Not sure if they've built up the Night King and his army of the Dead and Bran's abilities all for this? If so, kind of wasted. But, perhaps they're not done yet. We'll see.
Definitely agree. They had air superiority but they didn't use it. You don't keep your air force out of the battle just because the other side has an air force--unless you're so over matched that it's pointless. But that wasn't the case.
I think the idea was supposed to be that Jony and Dany were waiting for the Night King to attack Bran (take the bait) and then they could swoop in. But, that's the downside to leaving Bran out as bait--it hampers their ability to do the airstrikes.
Yep, if he was so fragile, why was he walking around like that? A bit too convenient of a death.
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