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Spoilers Game of Thrones: The Final Season

Where they lack in depth, they make up with cunning and foresight.

I'm not even sure they lack that much in depth compared to the other Great Houses. There's 4 Starks left of real note after all.

Consider the sad states of House Tully (who?), House Arryn (lulz), House Baratheon (*crickets*), House Martell (#owngoals), House Tyrell (uggghhhhh), and even the Lannisters. The freaking Greyjoys are in a better state. :p Seems like of all the Great Houses Stark's riding pretty high.
 
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It seems to me that the final season will be a little padded. For the overall plot, we'll see that it was Bran who drove the Mad King mad, like Hodor, so he'd burn them all, all the zombies, that is. And when Bran stayed too long in the past he couldn't return to the present and was trapped in the body of the man who was called the Three-Eyed Raven, grown into a tree (or vice versa.) So there was never anybody else but Bran and he set himself up to be marked by the Night King etc. If we don't see this, I'm calling it cheating on the foreshadowing. The present day body of Bran will presumably die, mentally if not physically, so that will be kind of sad. Also, everybody with Valyrian steel will be involved in a key battle.

Much of the plot has been about the parentage of Jon Snow. I've never quite understood why it mattered (and I rather like Jon Snow, sue me.) The only things I can think of is, either it's a way to confuse the Night King on who the prince that was promised is, so the bad guy's evil plan to take out his enemy misses the correct target. Or it's because it forces Jon Snow to kill Daenerys. Even if it's not Jon Snow who murders Daenerys, she will probably perish in one form or another, because the show hates her. Like Cersei and the Iron Bank, they don't like revolutionaries.

Cersei will also die to preserve the official morality that incestuous sluts die for it, but the show loves her, so they will no doubt build this up into a bittersweet moment, especially if they have her kill Jaime for betraying her, and Tyrion takes yet more revenge. Or possibly she suddenly transforms into noble and self-sacrificing and sets off the wildfire with herself as bait, because only this will satisfy the producers' passion for her.

Varys, who has already started working against Daenerys is also loved by the show, so the show will probably show him being burnt to justify hating Daenerys, treating him as a martyr to democracy or something equally preposterous.

The thing about Varys is that he along with Littlefinger and Olenna were responsible for almost all of the bad stuff happening. It was almost certainly Varys who told the others about Jon Arryn searching for heirs. And it was almost certainly Varys who told Littlefinger about what Bran was doing when he was pushed. If you want to go way back, it was almost certainly Varys who found the dragon eggs and passed them on to be given to Daenerys. I've imagined that demon voice he heard when he was castrated told him where they were. If there's just a few dragons, then one could be snared but the few survivors couldn't burn the corpse, hence the long, long, long, long, long wait before the Night King makes a move.

The show loves Tyrion who will probably be Gendry's Hand. Sansa will be queen. Arya by all rights should become the Faceless God's missionary priestess in Westeros, otherwise her whole arc is rather overblown.

Jon Snow will likely go back to dead once his mission is done, also the bittersweet.

But, the prophecy about sunset in the east and seas withdrawing and mountains dancing before Daenerys will have a child suggests that Sunstone Island is a Chekhov's volcano. After it erupts, her and Drogo's son may come back from the dead to fight the Night King. Then as per the vision where Drogo talks about waiting for her they all ride into the night lands together.
 
I'm no expert at all and i really didn't comb the books with a finetooth comb to look for clues but knowing Martin it will be a bloodbath and bar some of the most hardcore fans no one will expect the true ending of the show.

I also don't believe it will be anything clear cut, i.e. no Jon Snow beheading the Night King so everybody can go home happily. There will be shocking major character deaths (my money is on at least Dany), many secondary characters will die and the resolution will leave everyone scratching their head or mouths agape while they try to process it.

Now that it's over a year since the last new episodes came out the time passed doesn't actually feel that long and it's only a few more months until spring when the last season is supposed to air (and it will be a fantastic nerd spring with Captain Marvel and Infinity War concluding alongside Game of Thrones).

Reading up on the massive shooting schedule we will be in for a wild ride.. i'd only wish to be able to see this in the cinema theatre on a grand scale instead of home for full effect.
 
Reading up on the massive shooting schedule we will be in for a wild ride.. i'd only wish to be able to see this in the cinema theatre on a grand scale instead of home for full effect.
With the recent trend of showing "event" episodes in the cinema (at least Doctor Who multiple times and The Inhumans, albeit the latter was an abject failure), I wouldn't be surprised if HBO decides to do a limited release of the series finale, especially if these season 8 episodes are already feature-length as rumored.
 
I doubt they'll all be feature length. The Winterfell battle one will be (you don't shoot something for 3 months and have it be 77 minutes), and probably the finale will be, but anyone hoping for 90-120 minutes per episode is going to de disappointed.
There will be shocking major character deaths (my money is on at least Dany)
Oh, no doubt many characters will go down, but I don't think Daenerys will be one of them. They threw every clue in the world at us last year that she's going to get pregnant again. So 99.9% she will. And unless Westerosi pregnancies are super-fast or the Night King takes 9 months to attack, she has to survive long enough to at least give birth. They've already played the "blood magic with Dany's baby" card once. They won't play it again. So my money is on her surviving because she's gotta have that kid.

Whether or not she actually rules as queen is another story. I don't think so.
 
Sometimes it is better to hurt your characters than kill them. I could easily see the final scene being a broken, perhaps insane, Dany giving birth to her baby in a brothel.

However it ends, it is not going to be something that people actually guess. My other theory about the novels is that Martin is having so much trouble because he knows that all the carefully plotted surprises are already going to be in the final season and he is trying to weave in details to the novels that will be original to them. I have often wondered how much of the story he actually plotted in advance before the HBO series began (the major beats certainly?).
 
My other theory about the novels is that Martin is having so much trouble because he knows that all the carefully plotted surprises are already going to be in the final season and he is trying to weave in details to the novels that will be original to them.

I doubt he's going to change anything because the show did it first, and there's plenty of details that are unique to the novels to worry about not being "original" enough. I think the issue with his writing is far more obvious, he simply went too wide with thousands of characters over dozens of locations and sideplots and is having trouble reigning it all in. The show has streamlined a lot of stuff in the latter seasons, but he clearly isn't willing to cut corners in the same way, and is apparently unable to stop adding more characters so the books are likely going to be a while. ;)
 
…..and unable to stop writing other novels, a 1000-page Targaryen history book (which probably started as he was writing some passages for the others, and he just ran with it)….I'm starting to believe the last 2 books will never come out. He originally said ADWD was so long that he split it in two....and the other half of the book would be The Winds of Winter and it would come out "soon." That was 7 years ago.

He's in a writers block with the main series, so he's being productive by writing other stuff.
 
I fear you might be right. He seems more interested in writing everything but A Song of Ice and Fire and yet he gets grumpy when people keep asking about The Winds of Winter. I respect that it takes a long time to write, but when he writes 700-plus pages in the first-part of a massive trilogy on history during that time, he shouldn't be surprised when people keep asking "but what about The Winds of Winter?"

With that in mind, I have no interested in Fire & Blood. I love dragons as much as the next person but the 300-year history about the Targaryens just doesn't appeal to me.
We might get to see Winds of Winter in our lifetimes, but Dream of Spring is probably a statistical impossibility at this point.
 
The man who wrote Armageddon Rag is not the kind of man who actually buys into the tired cynicism of Game of Thrones. It's as if after the failure of a wonderful novel like that, Martin decided he would give the masses the sadism they wanted. My impression is that he's having trouble finishing a real novel, instead of hack fan fic like his Westeros back story, because it's just too nasty to live in. It's true I haven't read any of the novels, but in the end the most amazing magic of TV Westeros is how women have perfect teeth, silicone and no underwear. The dragons are plausible by contrast.
 
It's magic!

You do have a point though. Compared to the novels, the HBO cast and extras are certainly far more attractive, both men and women.
 
Welp, time to start planning out a rewatch that will dovetail nicely into the final season. :techman:
I'm thinking the same thing. The question is, do I just do a previous season rewatch, like I normally do, or do I rewatch the whole thing? Decisions...
 
I was going to wait until the final season to do the massive series marathon but then I lost patience and did it before season 7. So instead I'm going to rewatch just season 7 before season 8.
 
I was going to wait until the final season to do the massive series marathon but then I lost patience and did it before season 7. So instead I'm going to rewatch just season 7 before season 8.

Exactly what I did/will do. 2020 when the withdrawl really kicks in I'll lock myself in a room and do the whole thing start to finish.
 
I haven't seen anything beyond Season 3, but now all the talk about the final season has gotten me curious to get back to GOT. I'll have to start over since I haven't watched it in years and have no memory of what was going on. Hopefully I'll be caught up by the time the final season is on Blu-Ray/Amazon Video.
 
I still can't believe we only have six episodes left. I was thinking of doing a big rewatch before it starts as well.
 
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