Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Out Of My Vulcan Mind, Jun 2, 2013.
I've watched every episode and I have no idea who Roose Bolton is. :/
He is the guy who Arya was a cupbearer to when she was at Harrenhal. He married one of Frey's grand-daughters (I can't remember if that fact made it on to the screen).
His house is much better set up in the books, as is the Frey house. The show replaced his establishment in Clash of Kings with Arya serving Tywin.
Well that clears it right up.
No way I can remember every character - or character name or place name - that's been flashed past our eyes over 3 years.
Arya wasn't Bolton's cupbearer on the show anyway; that's only in the books.
Bolton is one of Robb's lieutenants. He's had a number of small appearances, but like DalekJim says, the show hasn't made him particularly memorable. He's the one who agreed to release Jaime from Harrenhal in exchange for Jaime telling Tywin that Bolton had nothing to do with his hand being cut off.
Oh, yes, It was Tywin on the TV series. I keep mixing the books up with what is on TV. Can you remember when Roose Bolton first appeared in the TV series?
I do remember that at one point in the TV series one of the characters, can't remember who, mentioned that the flayed man is Bolton's sigil.
You can use the GOT wiki if you need a reminder about who is who. Great thing about that site is that is only has spoilers up the newest aired episode.
I seem to remember him looking a bit put out that Robb wanted to talk to Florence Bonesaw instead of him. Probably not his first appearance, though.
Roose is introduced in the TV series in episode 4 of season 2, just after the battle at Oxcross. Bolton suggests killing or torturing the Lannister prisoners, and Robb declines, mentioning in the process the Boltons' tradition of flaying defeated enemies. (Then Talisa showed up and Robb began to flirt with her.) Not a bad introduction for the character, but after that he slipped into the background except for a few functional, plot-driven scenes here and there.
Well, Roose has actually been featured quite prominently throughout this season, especially during Jaime's stay at Harrenhall.
^^^ Took me a while to figure out what I was looking at, but when I did,
Not really. The truth is that he was a subject who followed the king's orders. Not so cut and dry, but Arya can't understand that. In her little world of honor, she thinks everyone should die or face whatever kind of punishment instead of doing something dishonorable (like her father did), even if they really had no choice. It's the same failure in understanding that lost her older brother the war and got him killed. Most people don't work like that. If he had killed the boy out of his own free will, that would have been one thing, but that's not what happened.
Hard as it may be for you, the saying "don't kill the messenger," comes to mind. Be upset with the person who actually caused your problem (i.e. "sent the message"), not the person who had to carry out orders or else. I can understand her anger at Joffrey. He's the reason why her friend died, not the Hound. So far, out of his own free will, he's done more to help children than hurt them.
I agree entirely. The complex characterisations within George R.R. Martin's fantasy legendarium seem quite shallow compared to shipping Spock and Uhura.
I'm not sure what your issue is here. And the fact that you have to drag in a preference I have for another type of entertainment tells me that you don't have much to offer to what I said in the way of discussion, you just want to attack.
How about you actually go after what I said instead of my preferences for the Star Trek reboot?
Also, did I say anything about GRRM's characterizations? I don't think the problem is the writer at all. I think he did a great job of realistically showing how children's views of the world are shaped by the environments they grew up in and the parents that they had. Both Arya and Robb had a "noble" father that was very unlike most people. That affected their world view where they both mistakenly expected the same from other people. It's not only a standard most people don't meet, but even Ned failed a little as he was only human too.
See, I responded to your post, not your user pic/name. It's not that hard, really.
I wouldn't say that Arya has paid much heed to Ned's lawful, noble persona at all. From day one she's shown to hate that whole culture of oaths and bowing the knee. She's just angry that The Hound slaughtered her friend, in the same way she's angry Ilyn Payne killed her father. Neither ordered it, but to her that doesn't matter.
If I get married to Jenna I'll remember to not invite any GoT cast members.
She despises the way women are restricted and would much rather live more like a boy, and she doesn't like the whole "game" that politics ends up being, but she never despised her father. I think she kind of idolized him, and that's a part of her problem. Very few people will be able to live up to her idea of her father.
Which is exactly what I said.
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