Game of Thrones 3.9 - "The Rains of Castamere" - Rate and discuss

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  1. Spock/Uhura Fan

    Spock/Uhura Fan Captain Captain

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    Yeah, but he explained to her that he didn't have any real choice about killing her friend. If he refused to do that, he'd be killed and the boy would have still been killed. What did she expect him to do? I think she hates him for things that he didn't really have much of a choice about. The only reason why I think he was able to abandon him post protecting the "king" is because it was during a war and he was probably presumed dead afterward.

    I get that, but it's just that it didn't really seem that way to me. I don't know. It felt a little flat. It was still good, though. An average GoT episode is like a B+ for a lot of other series out there. So, I'm not complaining.

    I guess I'll just have to accept that that's the way Arya works, then. Thanks.

    I think that was the case after he killed the Karstark (sp?) guy. The man told him to kill him and be cursed, and I think it was over after that. He'd done too much and made too many selfish mistakes at that point. Unlike his father, he didn't seem to understand people. I honestly think that's what cost him in the end. Both he and Theon tried to lead without really understanding it, imo.
     
  2. Spock/Uhura Fan

    Spock/Uhura Fan Captain Captain

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    I think that's half of it. That's the ice part, but I think the fire part is the rest. Or, maybe it's Danearys and her dragons because the dragons can probably defeat the white walkers. Sam was able to kill one with dragon glass, and the only way to make sure that someone doesn't turn into one of them when they die is the burn them. I think that's what the ultimate showdown is going to be. Dragons vs. white walkers.
     
  3. Venardhi

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    Gold star.
     
  4. Klaus

    Klaus Vice Admiral Admiral

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    That's been pretty plain from the start, that the whole point of this affair is to get us to the place where Dany's dragons can get to Westeros to save all of them from the walkers... the question is who will be riding alongside her? :D
     
  5. Dream

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    You also have to be clever, resourceful, ruthless or any number of other things to stay alive. Ned and Robb let their honor get in the way and which lead to bad decision after bad decision. I had a hard time rooting for those two in the end.

    Every single Lannister has been able to outsmart them; Tywin in the battlefield, Cersei having Ned arrested, Jaime looks to be on his way home after being captured for a year, and Tyrion managing to stay alive after being falsely accused and arrested by Cat.
     
  6. DalekJim

    DalekJim Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Stannis is easily the best candidate for sitting on the iron throne.

    Eh, not really? Robb died because of a vow he broke. Hardly Eddard level of honour. Robb had no way of seeing what was coming, unlike Eddard. The entirety of Westeros is stunned by it.
     
  7. Kelthaz

    Kelthaz Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Robb knew that marrying Talisa meant losing the Frey men. Robb knew executing Rickard Karstark meant losing more of his men that he couldn't afford to lose. Robb had already defeated himself long before the Red Wedding.
     
  8. Dream

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    He died for many reasons. He stupidly executed Karstark for killing the boys because of honor, which led to Robb losing much of his forces. He seems to have forgotten the Lannisters didn't play by the rules which they killed his father.

    But Catelyn releasing Jaime was the final straw. I really doubt Tywin would have gone along with the Red Wedding if Jaime was still a hostage, and killed in retaliation.
     
  9. Venardhi

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    Talisa's character is a replacement for Jeyne Westerling, his wife in the book. As Robb pressed forward into Westerlands (Lannister Territory) he took her family's lands and laid siege to their castle. Robb was wounded in the battle to take it and was lain up from his wounds for a while while they occupied it and regrouped.

    Not knowing she was being used as a pawn, Jeyne was sent (by her Lannister-loyal family) to 'comfort' Robb as he recovered and afterwards Robb felt obligated to marry her lest he leave her dishonored.

    Tywin either hatched the plan himself or had a hand in manipulating the situation very soon after it began, having been informed by Jeyne's father. Thus the plot to turn the Freys against him, the alliance with Bolton, etc. began.

    Talisa may well have been an agent herself, killed along with the rest for what she knew and because she was carrying a Stark heir. I doubt it, but they may pull that out just to twist the knife next week.

    But yes, he died for honor. In combination with being a stupid teenager (which is much more forgiving for the teenaged Robb in he book)
     
  10. Rulius

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    Hopefully the Others will arrive south of the Wall and find that the humans have all killed themselves. The only character I see being invulnerable is Dany. Without her no dragons.
     
  11. Anwar

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    It's even sweeter for Tywin. He set the Freys up perfectly, because the way they did things they broke the Guest Rite of Westeros and have disgraced their name for the rest of history. They took out HIS enemy, and in the process ruined themselves so everyone will blame them first and foremost and ignore Tywin as the main man behind it all. Tywin gets away with his name intact, the Freys are utterly screwed and will the the target of all revenge schemes from now on.
     
  12. Aeolusdallas

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    He murdered her friend who was just unlucky enough to witness Joffrey's humiliation.
     
  13. teacake

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    An adult who murders a child, her friend. Cut and dried.
     
  14. Aeolusdallas

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    I have a hard time understanding people who don't get this. I mean even if we somehow ignore the "He is a child killer" thing, avenging a murdered friend is a pretty solid motive for most people for most of history.
     
  15. Venardhi

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    Also remember how traumatic the last year or so has been for her. She has turned herself into who she thinks she needs to be to survive, and that person has a very strict (though still somewhat childlike) sense of right and wrong and who deserves life and death.
     
  16. The Lensman

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    For myself, I'd forgotten that he killed her friend and was wondering why she hated him so much. I've been wanting to re-watch season 1, but my brother has the discs.
     
  17. Locutus of Bored

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    I've watched every episode and I have no idea who Roose Bolton is. :/
     
  20. Miss Chicken

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    He is the guy who Arya was a cupbearer to when she was at Harrenhal. He married one of Frey's grand-daughters (I can't remember if that fact made it on to the screen).