Game of Thrones 2.4 - "Garden of Bones" - Rate and discuss
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If there was, it sailed over my head.
I keep wanting Robb to send Jamie back to Cersei one piece at a time.
I keep wanting Robb to send Jamie back to Cersei one piece at a time.
During the confrontation between Dani and the 13, one of the 13 says that his last name is unpronounceable by a foreigner. Something about the way he said it made me immediately think "SPOCK!". I doubt it was an intentional homage...but you never know.
I kinda didn't like this episode. Not sure why. I think largely because it feels sandwiched in between stuff happening. There was a lot of build up in this one, but nothing actually kind of happened. (Even though it did!) Too many fragments moving plot forward rather than real meat on the bone.
Normally that's not an issue... but lack of Cersei and some meaty scenes around her and the Palace I think made the episode fall down.
I hated - just hated - the scene with Joffrey and the prostitutes. I'm pretty certain that's a completely new addition. It seems to be another HBO Tit Quotiant scene. Furthermore I don't see that it brought anything to the table that wasn't apparant from a) Joff killing Ned. b) Joff hitting his mother. c) Joff humilating Sansa. It just added nothing. Also it wasn't addressed again, not mentioned by Tyrion at all, so it felt like a real deleted scene that could have been removed and made no difference.
Similarly the scene between Littlefinger and Margery just felt rather surplus to requirements. Would have preferred the time spent more on Littlefinger and Cately, or something else.
I think theer was an ep or two like this last season.. generally next ep is great again, so no harm done.
Incidentally the rating scale on the poll is kind of difficult. Becuase I think this episode was below average, and have rated it as such. However GoT's average is excellent. So I would rate this one notch below excellent, otherwise. But no way is this episode above its average. (Hope that makes sense!)
Normally that's not an issue... but lack of Cersei and some meaty scenes around her and the Palace I think made the episode fall down.
I hated - just hated - the scene with Joffrey and the prostitutes. I'm pretty certain that's a completely new addition. It seems to be another HBO Tit Quotiant scene. Furthermore I don't see that it brought anything to the table that wasn't apparant from a) Joff killing Ned. b) Joff hitting his mother. c) Joff humilating Sansa. It just added nothing. Also it wasn't addressed again, not mentioned by Tyrion at all, so it felt like a real deleted scene that could have been removed and made no difference.
Similarly the scene between Littlefinger and Margery just felt rather surplus to requirements. Would have preferred the time spent more on Littlefinger and Cately, or something else.
I think theer was an ep or two like this last season.. generally next ep is great again, so no harm done.
Incidentally the rating scale on the poll is kind of difficult. Becuase I think this episode was below average, and have rated it as such. However GoT's average is excellent. So I would rate this one notch below excellent, otherwise. But no way is this episode above its average. (Hope that makes sense!)
Well, that's what happened in the copy of Clash of Kings I read last week
In the 1999 Harper Voyager paperback edition, the relevant pages are 366-367 (the first appearance of a Shadow), 449-452 (Stannis and Davos chat about his dreaming of what happened to Renly, and the Shadow, 454-456 (the birth scene, with Melisandre sending it into Storm's End after a second target)
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Lonemagpie, my objection to your spoiler was that it was mostly your own interpretation of the creatures ability - and the *specifics* of that something that is not explicitly stated in the book. And that you made pretty obvious what will happen next. Which is beyond what the initial question was about.
I'm always on the hunt for a cure for my issues, but perhaps there is none.
Sorry to lessen your enjoyment of the episode. My reaction was over the top, sorry about that.
I'm always on the hunt for a cure for my issues, but perhaps there is none.
Sorry to lessen your enjoyment of the episode. My reaction was over the top, sorry about that.
What is your damage?
Good point... I erred. But the scene, and his maliciousness, still backs up my point. That's the main reason I remember the scene.
It is clearly the intent though, as per the page numbers I mentioned. Hell, it's a lot more implicit than even Renly's sexuality in the book.... Not just my interpretation. (admittedly the stannis shagging part isn't in the book, but since they did that part in the previous episode anyway...)
That's my bad - since the question was about the birth scene, which in the book is well after what, in the TV version is about to happen next, I thought that that had already happened in the episode (which the US saw last night but we in the UK got tonight) - didn't expect the divergences from the book to be as wide as they were this week.
OK then. I had a pretty lousy day too, so was not in the best of moods.
I still enjoyed it - Charles Dance stealing scenes cures a lot of ills.
Pax?
Another great episode - surprising divergences from the book, but they all work well. Nice to see Littlefinger getting back on form.
Tyrion's recruiting of Lancel, and the birth scene, were both fabulous.
Harrenhal was just as I imagined, the chat between Renly and Stannis was great... And of course Charles Dance makes a welcome scene-stealing return!
Who was playing the leader of The Thirteen? He was familiar, but the credits went by too quickly and too small....
ETA- Oh, I do like the way Stephen Dillane is *playing* Stannis, with the dialogue and stuff, but I still don't think he *looks* right for the part...
Tyrion's recruiting of Lancel, and the birth scene, were both fabulous.
Harrenhal was just as I imagined, the chat between Renly and Stannis was great... And of course Charles Dance makes a welcome scene-stealing return!
Who was playing the leader of The Thirteen? He was familiar, but the credits went by too quickly and too small....
ETA- Oh, I do like the way Stephen Dillane is *playing* Stannis, with the dialogue and stuff, but I still don't think he *looks* right for the part...
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No worries - Pax vobiscum!
Bronn's 'cunt' line was certainly the best line of the episode.
Amazing episode- one of the best yet.
Is it me or does every kind of supernatural activity in this world have something to do with birth/rebirth? You've got:
The White Walkers- reanimate dead people to be their servants
The Wolves - discovered recently born from their dead mother
The Dragons - born from fire with naked Dany
The Shadow Assassin - literally born from Melisandre
Has George RR Martin got mommy issues?
Is it me or does every kind of supernatural activity in this world have something to do with birth/rebirth? You've got:
The White Walkers- reanimate dead people to be their servants
The Wolves - discovered recently born from their dead mother
The Dragons - born from fire with naked Dany
The Shadow Assassin - literally born from Melisandre
Has George RR Martin got mommy issues?
The Spice King was played by Nicholas Blane.
The birth of the shadowbaby was just as disturbing as it was when I read the book. Eesh.
The scene outside Qarth was awful, but other than that this was a notably solid episode.
Dan, David, Bryan, etc. all need to learn that people standing around announcing their titles is boring, awkward and just not good TV. There was no reason for Xaro to start talking about how he is "a savage of the Summer Isles." It isn't at all important to the character(considering the character in the book ISN'T a Summer Islander and I highly doubt they're expanding his role) or relevant to the scene and clearly just thrown in because they cast a black actor. They badly need a dialogue polisher giving a last look at these scripts. Just about every episode has a scene or two that are painful to listen to.
Renly actually seemed somewhat likable this week, which is a nice surprise.
Dan, David, Bryan, etc. all need to learn that people standing around announcing their titles is boring, awkward and just not good TV. There was no reason for Xaro to start talking about how he is "a savage of the Summer Isles." It isn't at all important to the character(considering the character in the book ISN'T a Summer Islander and I highly doubt they're expanding his role) or relevant to the scene and clearly just thrown in because they cast a black actor. They badly need a dialogue polisher giving a last look at these scripts. Just about every episode has a scene or two that are painful to listen to.
Renly actually seemed somewhat likable this week, which is a nice surprise.
Charles Dance is awesome, and I lovd tha tline by Bronn. His delivery is perfect.
I wonder if that will turn anyone off at all. It's the first time, walkers perhaps aside, that the show has shifted into more pure fantasy. Well and dragons I guess...
FWIW, a friend of mine who's pushing 60, and who is an unreconstructed old-fashioned male chauvinist and Alpha male, once met Charles Dance. Came away with a huge man-crush and, with a few drinks in him, confessed that if he had to do a man, he'd do Dance!
I wonder if that will turn anyone off at all. It's the first time, walkers perhaps aside, that the show has shifted into more pure fantasy. Well and dragons I guess...
Yeah, I'm wondering if next week's episode audience will be down a little, if casual viewers are put off by the birth scene either for being too adult, freaky to them, or just too overtly fantastical.
I don't think *many* casuals will bail, but I do suspect that some will.
Hope not, though...
He's especially fantastic in the underrated Last Action Hero...
Tywin seemed a little out of character last night, but being CD it worked even better. (same goes for his intro last season - the whole gutting-a-deer thing wasn't in the book, but works better. Overall I think the TV Tywin is even better than the book version!)