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Galaxy Vs Soverign
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Well my answer will be honest, I didn't think it through too clearly :P
I merely just really enjoyed watching the Galaxy Class blaze away in the fleet battle scenes in DS9's Dominion War a lot better than watching the Soveriegn Class E battle in it's films.
You are right I believe the Galaxy class outweighs the Ent-E by some thing like a million or so metric tons too according to some sources..so its mass would be greater, but I am sure her engines were upgraded to compensate since she sort of glided like a huge pissed off swan in some of those battle scenes
she sort of glided like a huge pissed off swan in some of those battle scenes
perfect analogy for the Galaxy class in the dominion war
A good portion of that space is dedicated towards civilians. Civies require a lot more space than Starfleet personnel. That being said, get rid of the civilians and you have alot of space to use for cargo, added scientific systems, in addition to upgrading the combat systems.
The interesting question coming out of this thread for me is: if I were the captain of the Galaxy-class ship involved, would I separate the saucer and try to make it a sublight contest? There's no denying that getting the independently maneuvering saucer section into play at just the right moment could be a decisive advantage, and I am not sure, if I were on Team Sovereign, that I could take the time to disable the saucer with the battle section after me.
It's absolutely true that the Starfleet ships get upgraded regularly. A Galaxy-class ship was expected to stay in service for 100 years, of which probably 75 would, I imagine, be frontline service. In this respect it is absolutely reasonable to assume, as per the OPs specification, that the technology would be roughly equivalent between it and a ship design which was not all that much newer anyway.
If the Sovereign-class starship has superior warp dynamics from its hull geometry and such, those advantages are going to remain, but I don't think we know enough about the ship to ascribe it significant advantages. We saw it got its own major refitting less than seven years after being launched, so assuming everything was fantastic and high-performance might be questionable, though it makes sense that the refit was supposed to improve things. In particular, altering the nacelle pylon orientation must have been a lot of work, so I hope it was for something!
It's absolutely true that the Starfleet ships get upgraded regularly. A Galaxy-class ship was expected to stay in service for 100 years, of which probably 75 would, I imagine, be frontline service. In this respect it is absolutely reasonable to assume, as per the OPs specification, that the technology would be roughly equivalent between it and a ship design which was not all that much newer anyway.
If the Sovereign-class starship has superior warp dynamics from its hull geometry and such, those advantages are going to remain, but I don't think we know enough about the ship to ascribe it significant advantages. We saw it got its own major refitting less than seven years after being launched, so assuming everything was fantastic and high-performance might be questionable, though it makes sense that the refit was supposed to improve things. In particular, altering the nacelle pylon orientation must have been a lot of work, so I hope it was for something!
It's more like we saw Kirk & Co. with a Constitution for 20 years, and then another one for close 7. What we don't really see is the Enterprise when she was commissioned in 2245 and destroyed in 2285, which would mean at least the Enterprise herself was about 40 years old. Couple in the Enterprise-A's lifespan and we get 47 years, so we're halfway to a hundred.
The Excelsior, the Miranda, the Oberth, and the Constellation themselves are roughly 100 years old themselves, too, give or take a decade. If Starfleet's designers can think that far ahead, then they can do it for the Galaxy.
When rationalizing the "no refit" of the original Enterprise in TSFS, doesn't the admiral explain "Jim, the Enterprise is twenty years old." and Kirk seems to accept this as a reasonable explanation
According to the animated series and then finally In A Mirror Darkly, the original Enterprise was commissioned at 2245. I haven't seen TSFS for a while, but I would have to ask if the admiral did ask Kirk if the twenty year age meant the refit. My memory of that conversation is pretty lacking, I admit.
Even if we take the twenty year age as truth, that discounts Pike's time as captain of the Enterprise, something that's cemented in Trek lore and referenced quite a bit. If we do add Pike's time, that's 10 years on top of the twenty we saw on screen with Kirk.
But anyway, on top of all that, we should remember that the Excelsior, Oberth, and Constellation are a generation younger than the Constitution, and those ships we do indeed see in service roughly a hundred years after they were first commissioned. So if those three old ships can do it, I imagine it would be relatively easy for the Galaxy to do so, especially with all that nice space on the inside.
From the TNG Technical Manual, which is a pretty darn reliable technical source.
There was a refit Constitution hull glimpsed in the wreckage at Wolf 359 also, so I don't have any particular reason to believe they were in service for a notably shorter period than the Mirandas, Excelsiors, K'tingas, Oberths and all those other 80-90 year ships...and possibly longer. Anyway, the idea that they upgrade Galaxy-class ships so they can serve for a long time is taken directly from the Technical Manual, but certainly should not be a surprise to anyone in light of the above.
While I like the aesthetics of the Galaxy-class vessels more that those of the Sovereign-class vessels, I would have to say that out of a hundred fights, the Sovereign would beat the Galaxy 51-49. Each have their own advantages, but the Sovereign-class has to be more maneuverable than the Galaxy-class judging by the difference in mass alone. Also, I'd wager that the Sovereign-class has more power rammed into it than the Galaxy-class. If the Defiant-class vessels had the same amount of power as the Galaxy-class, then the Sovereign has to be able to produce more. In terms of power and maneuverability, the Sovereign has the edge. The Galaxy-class has the edge in adaptability. It was built with a more scientific-minded mission and would therefore be better able to "change the rules" of the martial contest via a scientific solution.
