Galaxy Class ships (not all their cut out to be)

[MAGolding]

Some people claim that the galaxy class warp cores are badly designed, resulting in too many containment field breeches.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Brahms/

 

[trekfan39]

Some people claim that the galaxy class warp cores are badly designed, resulting in too many containment field breeches.

http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Brahms/

Hahaha!! That's awesome.

 

[Jax]

The Odyssey shown just how powerful the Galaxy class was since it's shields were useless yet it withstood several Dominion vessels until one literally crashed directly into the Drive section (No ship would survive such an impact).

 

[The Wormhole]

The Odyssey shown just how powerful the Galaxy class was since it's shields were useless yet it withstood several Dominion vessels until one literally crashed directly into the Drive section (No ship would survive such an impact).

I wouldn't say the Odyssey really "withstood" anything. We saw one nacelle blown out almost right away, and the ship took a heavy beating all throughout the battle. I'm thinking had the Jem'Hadar not rammed into it, the Odyssey would still have needed extensive repairs anyway.

 

[marsh8472]

The Yamato literally destroyed itself, Odyssey rammed by 1 Jem'Hader ship destoyed, Enterprise-D destroyed by obsolete Klingon Bird or Prey, along with several destroyed during the Dominion War. Not a great record for "The Flagship of the Federation"

The Enterprise-D was still around for over 30 years in the future during "All Good Things"

 

[Tenacity]

Enterprise-D destroyed by obsolete Klingon Bird or Prey

Apparently not all that obsolete. Other than the fault in it's cloaking device (it's ultimate downfall) it was a fully capable bird of prey.

 

[at Quark's]

The ent-D was destroyed only because its shields were effectively nullified. Were it not for that, the BoP wouldn't have had much of a chance, as the script establishes.

 

[Takeru]

The Warp 10 limit was set in the March 1987 writers’ guide. Exceeding Warp 10 may cause one to “cease to exist.” (Nothing about turning into lizards, alas.)
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According to that a ship travels 1 lightyear per hour at warp 6, so Voyager should have travelled the 70.000 lightyears from the delta quadrant in 8 years without breaking a sweat. Even if they include stops to do repairs or refuel it could have never been a 75 year trip back home, especially bevause they could easily fly faster to make up for the time they lost.

They obviously fiddled a bit with the speed, so that Janeway wouldn't just say "8 years? Screw it, warp 9.5 Mr. Paris, I want to be home for christmas and play with the puppies!"

Although 1 lightyear per hour as regular crusing speed makes the quick trips from DS9 to pretty much everywhere much more believable. Or the Enterprise D supposedly being in the edge of explored space in season 1 and then hopping back to earth just like that.

 

[STEPhon IT]

The Yamato literally destroyed itself, Odyssey rammed by 1 Jem'Hader ship destoyed, Enterprise-D destroyed by obsolete Klingon Bird or Prey, along with several destroyed during the Dominion War. Not a great record for "The Flagship of the Federation"

Yep. The ships become more vulnerable as the producers and writers grow tired of being under the creator's --Gene Roddenberry--shadow. The Defiant, Intrepid class, both ugly looking Enterprise E and NX-01 or even Runabouts were never treated in the backhanded fashion of the Galaxy Class.

In ST VII: Generations, the bridge lacked lighting, but had all this redundant stations/consoles crap and the ship couldn't haul or maneuver like it used to in TNG. I recall when the Enterprise had it's stuff together; it can fire multiple phaser blasts and tri-torpedo attacks. As like one of the Duras sisters mentioned they were no match for them. Apparently, exposing the shield modulations also hampered Data and Worf's intelligence; they should've adjusted for those sequences ala Tuvok and Kim on VOY.

The Odyssey and the Enterprise moving slow is out of character of the ships' function, especially after reading that bloated Tech Manual. Hard to imagine that was the same Galaxy Class vessel who was whizzing away from a Q Cage in the pilot episode. The Galaxy Class like it's predecessor the Star Ship Class from TOS were special, not just another ship.

 

[Arpy]

I wouldn't say the Odyssey really "withstood" anything. We saw one nacelle blown out almost right away, and the ship took a heavy beating all throughout the battle. I'm thinking had the Jem'Hadar not rammed into it, the Odyssey would still have needed extensive repairs anyway.

Watch the episode again. It lasted for, what, 10 full minutes without shields, to give Sisko et al a chance, when other ships would have been incinerated in 10 seconds. Frankly, under the conditions of the battle, I thought they’d have to retreat immediately. The beating it took right off the bat, not the Sovereign or Defiant or The Enterprise-J you’d think would do otherwise.

Storytelling necessities of the week being what they may, the Galaxy Class remains one of the most sophisticated, powerful, and reliable starships of any race. That’s the point. It wouldn’t be the flagship or permit families or continued to spearfront battles or still be decent enough to be in service decades later, if that weren’t the case.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The Galaxy-class was a lemon. A luxurious five-star hotel/pleasure cruise liner in space. That’s why it got replaced with the Sovereign-class so quickly.

 

[C.E. Evans]

There's no indication that the Sovereign-class replaced the Galaxy-class, nor that the Galaxy-class was a "lemon." Starships are essentially tools to carry out Federation policy, with some tools better at some jobs than others. IMO, the Sovereign-class was probably conceived as just a more economical version of the Galaxy-class (or an upscale version of the Excelsior-class), but their missions are likely the same as large multipurpose vessels.

 

[at Quark's]

The Galaxy-class was a lemon. A luxurious five-star hotel/pleasure cruise liner in space. That’s why it got replaced with the Sovereign-class so quickly.

Not only that, it had design flaws that must have become apparent within hours after the launch:

http://sevspace.com/stupidarchive/sevtrek034.asp.htm

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Not only that, it had design flaws that must have become apparent within hours after the launch:

http://sevspace.com/stupidarchive/sevtrek034.asp.htm

That’s all the confirmation I need.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

There's no indication that the Sovereign-class replaced the Galaxy-class, nor that the Galaxy-class was a "lemon." Starships are essentially tools to carry out Federation policy, with some tools better at some jobs than others. IMO, the Sovereign-class was probably conceived as just a more economical version of the Galaxy-class (or an upscale version of the Excelsior-class), but their missions are likely the same as large multipurpose vessels.

The Intrepid Class was your economy class Galaxy ship. All the same bells and whistles, but significantly smaller. As well as being technologically more advanced than the Galaxy. A benefit of coming out 8 years later. Although, with Trek science, not everything is progressive. The Galaxy Class never was under threat from being destroyed by cheese or having major ship systems being run by gel packs.

The Sovereign was the Galaxy Class after being exposed to gamma rays and getting shredded. Much of the pomp and accessories were shed with the transition from Galaxy to Sovereign.

 

[C.E. Evans]

The Intrepid Class was your economy class Galaxy ship. All the same bells and whistles, but significantly smaller. As well as being technologically more advanced than the Galaxy. A benefit of coming out 8 years later. Although, with Trek science, not everything is progressive. The Galaxy Class never was under threat from being destroyed by cheese or having major ship systems being run by gel packs.

The Sovereign was the Galaxy Class after being exposed to gamma rays and getting shredded. Much of the pomp and accessories were shed with the transition from Galaxy to Sovereign.

A case could be made that the Galaxy-class served as the base template for both the Intrepid-class & Sovereign-class, with lessons learned from the Galaxy incorporated into them. But it's also likely that the Galaxy-class isn't some monolithic design itself, with the ability to be upgraded and improved over time. Some 30 years later, the Galaxy-class might now be a totally different kind of ship systems-wise than it was when the Enterprise-D was launched.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The Galaxy-class a lemon and Starfleet knew about it. Not only did SF start planning for its replacement almost immediately after its commission, but the admiralty also had a contingency plan to beef up remaining hulls in the future (or if the Sovereign-class successor wasn’t such a resounding success).

 

[The Wormhole]

Galaxy Class never was under threat from being destroyed by cheese or having major ship systems being run by gel packs.

No, it just had weird particle of the week jamming up ship's systems and nearly triggering destruction every other month.

 

[C.E. Evans]

The Galaxy-class a lemon and Starfleet knew about it. Not only did SF start planning for its replacement almost immediately after its commission, but the admiralty also had a contingency plan to beef up remaining hulls in the future (or if the Sovereign-class successor wasn’t such a resounding success).

Unlikely to all that. If the Galaxy-class was truly a "lemon," the USS Galaxy would never have entered active service and Starfleet definitely wouldn't have built additional vessels.

I know that some fans have this idea that the Galaxy-class was some kind of failure and that the Sovereign-class was meant to replace it, but there's nothing to support any of those ideas onscreen. The only thing we can take is that when the Enterprise-D was lost, Starfleet decided that a Sovereign-class ship would be the Enterprise-E, and that may have simply been a case that the Sovereign-class was just the newest "big hero ship" design at the time. I would argue, however, that the Galaxy-class is still currently in service by 2394 and is not considered a failure.

No, it just had weird particle of the week jamming up ship's systems and nearly triggering destruction every other month.

Like every other hero ship in every Trek series.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

I know that some fans have this idea that the Galaxy-class was some kind of failure and that the Sovereign-class was meant to replace it, but there's nothing to support any of those ideas onscreen.

I would argue, however, that the Galaxy-class is still currently in service by 2394 and is not considered a failure.

You realize of course that the last appearance made by a Galaxy-class ship was in 2378 so there's nothing to support your idea onscreen.