Galaxy Class ships (not all their cut out to be)

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Trekboy1993, Dec 16, 2017.

  1. M.A.C.O.

    M.A.C.O. Commodore Commodore

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    Great breakdown.


    I haven't watched the episode in question in years but I remember it well enough. What you describe is a pervasive issue I had forgotten about, but is in other parts of DS9. Particularly with the Defiant and how it seemingly flies around much larger ships (which all seem to be motionless in space, during battles) getting in multiple hits with phasers. Granted, in the case of the Odyssey, one of the nacelles was damaged and it had to limp away.
     
  2. Forbin

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    Actually, carriers are among the fastest ships in the fleet.
     
  3. Sgt_G

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    Actually, large ocean ships are faster than smaller ships. I started to type up the reason why, but Google already explains why that is:
     
  4. C.E. Evans

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    The Galaxy-class may have been a testbed for technologies that have since become standard aboard Federation starships. It might have taken 20 years to develop the Galaxy-class if it was a game changer. All of the lengthy R&D and testing for various now standard systems was done during the building of the Galaxy-class, allowing other starship designs to incorporate them in only a fraction of the time. Even the most newest and advanced design may owe a lot of its earlier lifting to the Galaxy-class.
    The Galaxy-class is probably even still today among the fastest ships in the fleet (I would argue that anything capable of Warp 9.5 and above is pretty fast). Sure, there are a couple of subsequent designs that are faster, but I think the majority of the fleet kind of maxes out around Warp 9.2--which is still nothing to sneeze at, IMO.
     
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  7. Jax

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    The Odyssey shown just how powerful the Galaxy class was since it's shields were useless yet it withstood several Dominion vessels until one literally crashed directly into the Drive section (No ship would survive such an impact).
     
  8. The Wormhole

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    I wouldn't say the Odyssey really "withstood" anything. We saw one nacelle blown out almost right away, and the ship took a heavy beating all throughout the battle. I'm thinking had the Jem'Hadar not rammed into it, the Odyssey would still have needed extensive repairs anyway.
     
  9. marsh8472

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    The Enterprise-D was still around for over 30 years in the future during "All Good Things"
     
  10. Tenacity

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    Apparently not all that obsolete. Other than the fault in it's cloaking device (it's ultimate downfall) it was a fully capable bird of prey.
     
  11. at Quark's

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    The ent-D was destroyed only because its shields were effectively nullified. Were it not for that, the BoP wouldn't have had much of a chance, as the script establishes.
     
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  12. Takeru

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    According to that a ship travels 1 lightyear per hour at warp 6, so Voyager should have travelled the 70.000 lightyears from the delta quadrant in 8 years without breaking a sweat. Even if they include stops to do repairs or refuel it could have never been a 75 year trip back home, especially bevause they could easily fly faster to make up for the time they lost.

    They obviously fiddled a bit with the speed, so that Janeway wouldn't just say "8 years? Screw it, warp 9.5 Mr. Paris, I want to be home for christmas and play with the puppies!"

    Although 1 lightyear per hour as regular crusing speed makes the quick trips from DS9 to pretty much everywhere much more believable. Or the Enterprise D supposedly being in the edge of explored space in season 1 and then hopping back to earth just like that.
     
  13. STEPhon IT

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    Yep. The ships become more vulnerable as the producers and writers grow tired of being under the creator's --Gene Roddenberry--shadow. The Defiant, Intrepid class, both ugly looking Enterprise E and NX-01 or even Runabouts were never treated in the backhanded fashion of the Galaxy Class.

    In ST VII: Generations, the bridge lacked lighting, but had all this redundant stations/consoles crap and the ship couldn't haul or maneuver like it used to in TNG. I recall when the Enterprise had it's stuff together; it can fire multiple phaser blasts and tri-torpedo attacks. As like one of the Duras sisters mentioned they were no match for them. Apparently, exposing the shield modulations also hampered Data and Worf's intelligence; they should've adjusted for those sequences ala Tuvok and Kim on VOY.

    The Odyssey and the Enterprise moving slow is out of character of the ships' function, especially after reading that bloated Tech Manual. Hard to imagine that was the same Galaxy Class vessel who was whizzing away from a Q Cage in the pilot episode. The Galaxy Class like it's predecessor the Star Ship Class from TOS were special, not just another ship.
     
  14. Arpy

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    Watch the episode again. It lasted for, what, 10 full minutes without shields, to give Sisko et al a chance, when other ships would have been incinerated in 10 seconds. Frankly, under the conditions of the battle, I thought they’d have to retreat immediately. The beating it took right off the bat, not the Sovereign or Defiant or The Enterprise-J you’d think would do otherwise.

    Storytelling necessities of the week being what they may, the Galaxy Class remains one of the most sophisticated, powerful, and reliable starships of any race. That’s the point. It wouldn’t be the flagship or permit families or continued to spearfront battles or still be decent enough to be in service decades later, if that weren’t the case.
     
  15. Captain of the USS Averof

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    The Galaxy-class was a lemon. A luxurious five-star hotel/pleasure cruise liner in space. That’s why it got replaced with the Sovereign-class so quickly.
     
  16. C.E. Evans

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    There's no indication that the Sovereign-class replaced the Galaxy-class, nor that the Galaxy-class was a "lemon." Starships are essentially tools to carry out Federation policy, with some tools better at some jobs than others. IMO, the Sovereign-class was probably conceived as just a more economical version of the Galaxy-class (or an upscale version of the Excelsior-class), but their missions are likely the same as large multipurpose vessels.
     
  17. at Quark's

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    Not only that, it had design flaws that must have become apparent within hours after the launch:

    http://sevspace.com/stupidarchive/sevtrek034.asp.htm
     
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  19. M.A.C.O.

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    The Intrepid Class was your economy class Galaxy ship. All the same bells and whistles, but significantly smaller. As well as being technologically more advanced than the Galaxy. A benefit of coming out 8 years later. Although, with Trek science, not everything is progressive. The Galaxy Class never was under threat from being destroyed by cheese or having major ship systems being run by gel packs.

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    The Sovereign was the Galaxy Class after being exposed to gamma rays and getting shredded. Much of the pomp and accessories were shed with the transition from Galaxy to Sovereign.


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  20. C.E. Evans

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    A case could be made that the Galaxy-class served as the base template for both the Intrepid-class & Sovereign-class, with lessons learned from the Galaxy incorporated into them. But it's also likely that the Galaxy-class isn't some monolithic design itself, with the ability to be upgraded and improved over time. Some 30 years later, the Galaxy-class might now be a totally different kind of ship systems-wise than it was when the Enterprise-D was launched.