Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers?)

[Captain Craig]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

Hollywood still out of ideas? Why not endlessly reboot, remake, and redo the same old ideas instead of thinking of new ones? Terrible. Does anyone remember when you could go to the theatre and most movies there would be original?

My movie going experience started in the 80's a pseudo launching point for the sequel machine as it revved up into high gear.
A few original films at the end of the 70's/early 80s like Rocky, Raiders, Star Wars, Jaws, Alien, Halloween, Friday the 13th for example.
Then came Nightmare on Elm Street, First Blood(Rambo), Ghostbusters, Die Hard, Predator, Robocop, Terminator...to bring this full circle to topic.

I know the board has a diverse age group but really, what era, how far back are you going for the qualifier "most movies there would be original"?

 

[RoJoHen]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

I think one main difference is that a lot of the current blockbusters tend to be based on pre-existing properties -- reboots of old movies, continuations of older series, book adaptations, superhero movies, etc.

At least as far as I am aware, the older classics of the 70s and 80s (well, let's call them "middle aged classics") were themselves original works.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

Hollywood still out of ideas? Why not endlessly reboot, remake, and redo the same old ideas instead of thinking of new ones? Terrible. Does anyone remember when you could go to the theatre and most movies there would be original?

Yeah, 1903, that was a great year. Then the first remake of The Great Train Robbery came along a year later and screwed it all up. Hollywood's been on a downward spiral ever since. I mean, The Wizard of Oz, Ben-Hur, Frankenstein? All crap (and all based on earlier novels, no less, so they're doubly unoriginal!).

It's always amusing to me that those who call for a return to the nonexistent golden era of total originality from Hollywood are completely unaware that they're using one of the most hackneyed and tedious complaints imaginable, second only to anything that begins with "The younger generations..." and ends with "these days." in my opinion. This complaint gets brought up virtually every time there's a remake, reboot, or adaptation announced, so I know a lot of the people who say it are aware of the reaction they're going to get, but just enjoy doing it anyway. Or they start making up arbitrary standards for why certain remakes don't count when they don't prove your point, and then proceed to move the goalposts even further from there.

Physician, heal thyself of your unoriginality.

 

[tighr]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

It's always amusing to me that those who call for a return to the nonexistent golden era of total originality from Hollywood are completely unaware that they're using one of the most hackneyed and tedious complaints imaginable, second only to anything that begins with "The younger generations..." and ends with "these days." in my opinion.

Every year there are dozens, if not hundreds, of films released that are original. The fact that the viewing public eats up sequels shouldn't take away from the amazing films that go unnoticed or released to little fanfare.

The only reason we look back fondly on the 70's and 80's is because cream floats to the top, and shit sinks to the bottom. It's the same with music. 30 years from now, I can't wait to see what music from this decade survived for our children to listen to.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

It's always amusing to me that those who call for a return to the nonexistent golden era of total originality from Hollywood are completely unaware that they're using one of the most hackneyed and tedious complaints imaginable, second only to anything that begins with "The younger generations..." and ends with "these days." in my opinion.

Every year there are dozens, if not hundreds, of films released that are original. The fact that the viewing public eats up sequels shouldn't take away from the amazing films that go unnoticed or released to little fanfare.

And? Where in my post did I say anything that disparages or denies the existence of original films? My point was simply to debunk the oft repeated nonsense idea that there was ever a time in Hollywood history where remakes and adaptations weren't a common thing, with the exception of the very early experimental era, which can't even reasonably be called "Hollywood."

 

[tighr]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

It's always amusing to me that those who call for a return to the nonexistent golden era of total originality from Hollywood are completely unaware that they're using one of the most hackneyed and tedious complaints imaginable, second only to anything that begins with "The younger generations..." and ends with "these days." in my opinion.

Every year there are dozens, if not hundreds, of films released that are original. The fact that the viewing public eats up sequels shouldn't take away from the amazing films that go unnoticed or released to little fanfare.

And? Where in my post did I say anything that disparages or denies the existence of original films? My point was simply to debunk the oft repeated nonsense idea that there was ever a time in Hollywood history where remakes and adaptations weren't a common thing, with the exception of the very early experimental era, which can't even reasonably be called "Hollywood."

Uh, I was agreeing with you? And continuing your main point? Please redirect your rage elsewhere.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

Man, if I had known that that was rage, I would have used all caps. Opportunity... missed.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

Well a reboot often involves abandoning all established canon and starting again with the basic concept, which is fine by me.

Isn't that what each new Terminator entry does anyway? To wit:

- The first film was an absolutely closed loop.

- Then comes T2, which introduces ways to change the timeline (including several different outcomes).

- T3 and T:Salvation. Ditto. Is the date of Judgment Day consistent across ANY two films?

- Sarah Connor Chronicles, which IIRC exists in a time stream unique to itself and not part of any previous film. I can't remember if it actually is supposed to lead to Judgment Day or not.

 

[Saul]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

Screw this reboot. Give me the movie where John Connor finally wins the war and sends Kyle Reese back in time.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

^ Or one which prevents time travel ever being invented, and thus, erases Skynet from history.

 

[Gaith]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

Screw this reboot. Give me the movie where John Connor finally wins the war and sends Kyle Reese back in time.

A movie that only exists to set up another story altogether? What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Saul]

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Cos rebooting it would be da fcuking awseom!!!111 right?

 

[Relayer1]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

Well a reboot often involves abandoning all established canon and starting again with the basic concept, which is fine by me.

Isn't that what each new Terminator entry does anyway? To wit:

- The first film was an absolutely closed loop.

- Then comes T2, which introduces ways to change the timeline (including several different outcomes).

- T3 and T:Salvation. Ditto. Is the date of Judgment Day consistent across ANY two films?

- Sarah Connor Chronicles, which IIRC exists in a time stream unique to itself and not part of any previous film. I can't remember if it actually is supposed to lead to Judgment Day or not.

No idea, but they ended up back in the future at the end. I'm looking at it as multiple routes to pretty much the same point.

I just don't want a full reboot / recast / remake. There is no need and it would more than likely be awful...

 

[Frontier]

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No offense, but we've had generic "future of the Terminator franchise" for years now, with only the barest outlines of hard news to go on. Wake me when a full cast is signed and a production date set, if y'all will.

The ambiguity of things is why I didn't start this thread years ago, back in 2011, when the rights where bought and Arnold said he'd be back.

What's different now is that we're hearing a lot of news and rumors, and even official press releases, production details, release dates, so on and so forth.

My interest in this is super low unless they bring Josh Friedman, creator of the Sarah Connor Chronicles, to write it. He gets Terminator, IMO.

Also, please no Arnold. Anything but a cameo places way too many limits on this thing. If Bale gets near this I'm also out. I hated him as John.

Really, all I want is a continuation of the Sarah Connor Chronicles.

Not going to happen, my friend. I think SCC is considered the least successful of the post-Jim Cameron involvement Terminator stuff. At least, financially.

I liked the show too, wish it hasn't ended as it did. But what you and I think doesn't matter w/Hollywood.

It's reboot+sequel rage out there...

I like the fact they want to make a trilogy, yet only have until 2019 to do so.

So unless they make the first one to see if it makes money, then make the next two movies at the same time for a 2017 and 2018 release we will probably never get a full story they want to tell.

Actually, as long as they're in some stage of production of the 3rd film by 2019, they're fine -- I think. Pretty sure that so long as they "break ground" on the 3rd film by December 31, 2019, they're good to go from there. So it actually gives them another year or two of wiggle-room.

 

[Sephiroth]

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I don't see Arnold as all that important to the franchise any more. Honestly, I'd like to see Garret Dillahunt in the next film.

 

[All-Seeing I]

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Think this is the only way to go, if they plan out a consistent trilogy; loved the original first 2 movies, but 3 and 4 were dispensable, really.

Casting suggestion for the Terminator - Ryan Gosling. He plays cold and emotionless really well, and a scene in Gangster Squad when he stalked across a nightclub floor to assassinate a gangland boss, really reminded me of Club Noir scene in The Terminator. A normal-looking guy would be a far better infiltrator not only amongst the starved humans of the Future War, but also in the present day; Gosling is so innocuous-looking that people wouldn't look twice at him, until it's too late...

 

[Pilot Ace]

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I don't see Arnold as all that important to the franchise any more. Honestly, I'd like to see Garret Dillahunt in the next film.

Yes.

 

[Ryan8bit]

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Arnold Schwarzenegger is way too old to be the Terminator. He looks like someone who is 80 trying to be 50. Yeah, they could try and digitally de-age him, but that would just be spending a lot of money on something pretty questionable.

A reboot makes sense at this point, but I'm almost thinking there just isn't any need for any more Terminator movies.

 

[DarKush]

Re: Future of the "Terminator" Franchise (Discussion, Rumors, Spoilers

Personally I wouldn't mind seeing more of the Future War. I wish Terminator Salvation had been a better film so that we could've gotten two sequels of that, a nice trilogy to cap off the entire franchise.

I'm not going to lie and say I won't be in the theater for Terminator 5 unless they do some atrocious casting or other creative decisions, but that being said, I think they should leave it alone. Going back to the past just seems like a waste to me, especially if its to attack another member of the Connor family. Maybe if a time traveling Terminator had a different mission that would at least make it not so run of the mill.

In any future film it would be great though to get a nod or two to the Sarah Connor show, acknowledging it's part in the overall franchise too.

 

[bigdaddy]

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The franchise is shown to be huge story wise, the TV show was great and even said that it was in a different timeline, so really they can do whatever they want.

I didn't think T4 was all that bad, but should have been planned better.

I rather they tie it into the show than any of the past movies at this point.