Furries

[Robert Maxwell]

The irony of most of these posts is that, just a few years ago, exactly the same disgust would have been spewed at those admitting to a homosexual lifestyle.

Yeah, I've heard that before. Most people aren't turned on by animals, though. Most of us are turned on by other humans, on the other hand, so it's at least understandable how one man might find another man hot. How one man might find a fox sexy, on the other hand... that's one I'm not so clear on.

Just like homosexuality, furries are not hurting anyone. So what if they "fap off" to nude animal like pictures or are doing it in fur suites? as long as its consensual, so what? Its not like they are raping real animals or kids or whatever.

Sure, they aren't hurting anyone, I just don't see why they have to make a public show of it. I don't care what you fap to. I don't come in here and post anything remotely pornographic.

Since we're talking about persecution and stuff here, my wife and I are in an open relationship. A lot of people don't understand that. I don't go around telling people, "You must accept my relationship! I'm just as normal as you are!" I just don't care. I don't need to be validated by a bunch of strangers. Why do furries need that?

I am a furry, and for whatever reason i do not find human females sexually attractive, nor am I into bestiality as some would presume. I am, however, attracted by furry art, or more precise "scalies" (dragons and such). In such cases, how would bestiality even be possible, as these creatures don't actually exist

So you don't agree with me. But ffs, why blast us for something that harms no one?

I draw a line between what turns somebody on and what they want to draw attention to in public. Most people aren't furries and most people don't understand furry fandom--or even want any part of it. Deal. Other subcultures online seem to figure out how to congregate in one place and be happy talking to others who are like them. It seems to be furries in particular who like to go elsewhere and drag others into their silliness. I just don't get it.

I don't go to Star Wars boards trying to convince people how great Star Trek is. Why do furries come to non-furry boards and try to convince everyone furries are just awesome? Who cares? DO NOT WANT.

 

[melancholymecha]

hah

http://citypaper.net/blogs/clog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/furries_vs_klingons.jpg

lol

see this brings up a good point, I dont really see much difference in dressing up, or being turned on by a furry character and being turned on by Klingons or Andorians or a 4 armed, tailed, pointy eared, alien male or female.


btw, I cant wait for James Cameron's Avatar!

 

[Plecostomus]

All I Know About Furry Stuff I Learned From Reading The Whiteboard. (great comic, btw. Furrys working in a machine shop, who play paint-ball on weekends.)

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Why do furries come to non-furry boards and try to convince everyone furries are just awesome? Who cares? DO NOT WANT.

Some groups do that, I suppose. Especially when it comes to topics like sex and marriage. They think that any group that has 'alternative' viewpoints to such things, must then be more evolved, more sophisticated, and somehow 'better' attitudes than those of us normals.

It's why terms like "vanilla" have arisen. Vanilla is the most boring, bland, flavorless kind of ice cream there is, so that's the kind of label - insult, really - that they put on us.

 

[Amaris]

Why do furries come to non-furry boards and try to convince everyone furries are just awesome? Who cares? DO NOT WANT.

Some groups do that, I suppose. Especially when it comes to topics like sex and marriage. They think that any group that has 'alternative' viewpoints to such things, must then be more evolved, more sophisticated, and somehow 'better' attitudes than those of us normals.

It's why terms like "vanilla" have arisen. Vanilla is the most boring, bland, flavorless kind of ice cream there is, so that's the kind of label - insult, really - that they put on us.

1) I'm normal, and so are you.
2) I love vanilla ice cream, because it has a lot of flavor.

J.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

Not lately, it would seem. It's almost like you planned this, culminating in your epic "defense of furries" thread.

The thread itself I did plan, but only after the stuff in the Desktop thread. I was curious as to how people felt about it. Other than that, no, I did not plan anything.

If you say so.

Because you are trying to dispel an impression that you feel is inaccurate. The existence of non-sexual furry art does not imply that furry art isn't dominated by the sexual stuff, though. Given the communities dedicated to it online, the sexual kind absolutely rules the roost.

Sex rules everything. Star Trek always tried to appeal to the sexual interest. So did Star Wars, and just about any other genre that could appeal to targeted demographics. There are commercials that advertise mundane products that have sexuality in them. Sex sells. Sex is prevalent, sex is on people's minds quite often. The demographic of most furries falls between the ages of 16-25, of course there is going to be a large contingent of sexually charged fans. What I'm saying, and have said repeatedly, is that the entirety of the fandom isn't all about sex.

And yet, how many of the discussions in the Trek-related forums here have to do with sex? Comparatively few. Let's go compare a furry board, shall we?

That is not true, and it is also irrelevant to this discussion.

I think it's entirely relevant, you just don't want to talk about it.

Your perception of it is simply personal taste. I have already explained my position on that.

And I don't have a problem with anyone's "taste." Just don't expect everyone else to go along with said taste.

I displayed my desktop. Should I have changed it to something else just for the desktop thread? Or better, not posted in that thread because my desktop may offend someone? That's not right. I should be able to participate in these threads even if you don't like what I post. I respect your right to post something you like, even if I were to find it offensive, and I wouldn't ask you to remove it.

Well, you posted it, and then you spent two pages defending it, so clearly you had an ax to grind there.

Why should I provide you with other boards I frequent? What business of that is yours in relation to what we are discussing here and now?

In other words, you don't want to tell me where these furry boards are that just talk about how awesome anthro stuff is without getting into yiffing and fursex.

My only agenda is one that says I should be able to post what I like as long as it depicts no harm to anyone. Everything I have posted up to this point harms no one.

You're right, it doesn't harm anyone. I just don't like it. Why does that bother you?

I post them often, far more often than furry wallpapers and avs. I have already said this.

Yeah, but people are always questioning you about the furry avatars. It happens every time you use one. You must like the attention it gets you.

I post a myriad of desktop images and avatars, most of them non-furry. I post what I feel like posting. I don't follow a schedule or set list.

Good for you, I guess.

I am interested in anthropomorphic art that is sexual in nature.

Such a softball, rehearsed answer. You can tell us you fap to furry porn, J. Really.

You went out of your way to put in parentheses "or children". You were equating enjoyment of anthro art with those who enjoy child pornography and having sex with animals. It's right there in the text.

Both bestiality and pedophilia are deviant sexual preferences. Both involve parties in sexual acts who cannot give consent. That you do not see the correlation is your problem.

I am being completely honest about it. I am answering your questions. You don't have to like the answers, but they are genuine and truthful answers.

I think you are trying to portray furry fandom as something more wholesome and typical than it is.

 

[TwoTailedFox]

I think you are trying to portray furry fandom as something more wholesome and typical than it is.

Quoted for Truth.

 

[Amaris]

If you say so.

I do indeed say so.

And yet, how many of the discussions in the Trek-related forums here have to do with sex? Comparatively few. Let's go compare a furry board, shall we?

As soon as you show where I said that Star Trek boards are comprised of mostly sexual threads and posts.

I think it's entirely relevant, you just don't want to talk about it.

I don't want to talk about you accusing me of being a martyr? No, I don't, because it's not true, and I want this thread to be civil.

And I don't have a problem with anyone's "taste." Just don't expect everyone else to go along with said taste.

You have a problem with my taste, and I don't expect you to go along with it. If everyone were the same, life would be boring and devoid of variety, the things that make it fun and worthwhile.

Well, you posted it, and then you spent two pages defending it, so clearly you had an ax to grind there.

I have no axe to grind.

In other words, you don't want to tell me where these furry boards are that just talk about how awesome anthro stuff is without getting into yiffing and fursex.

No, just as I don't tell you where I live, I don't tell you other boards I frequent. It is a matter of privacy, and I ask that you respect that. Besides, you don't need me to go to other furry boards.

You're right, it doesn't harm anyone. I just don't like it. Why does that bother you?

It doesn't bother me. The only thing that actually does bother me is the idea that I'm into pedophilia or bestiality and I'm not. This bothers me because it can have social ramifications upon my life, since many people equate them.

Yeah, but people are always questioning you about the furry avatars. It happens every time you use one. You must like the attention it gets you.

That is a personal assumption on your part. Everyone likes attention. The question is whether I do it solely for attention, and the answer to that is no.

Good for you, I guess.

Why do you answer as if I volunteered that without provocation? You made a statement, I corrected you.

Such a softball, rehearsed answer. You can tell us you fap to furry porn, J. Really.

It is a soft answer in response to a harsh question.

Both bestiality and pedophilia are deviant sexual preferences. Both involve parties in sexual acts who cannot give consent. That you do not see the correlation is your problem.

There is no correlation between anthro art and bestiality or pedophilia. The whole purpose of anthro art is that there are human traits present, including human sentience.

I think you are trying to portray furry fandom as something more wholesome and typical than it is.

I am simply answering questions. You can, and do, take them however you wish. All I am saying, and have been saying, is that furry fandom isn't just sexual in nature.

J.

 

[Kestra]

There is no correlation between anthro art and bestiality or pedophilia. The whole purpose of anthro art is that there are human traits present, including human sentience.

How is sentience portrayed?

 

[Amaris]

How is sentience portrayed?

Sentience is portrayed in many ways, just as in traditional animation. Speaking in a specifically human language, wearing clothes, having a job, watching television, things like that.


J.

 

[Starbreaker]

People that don't fursuit do not find fursuiting normal. There's no one.

 

[Robert Maxwell]

And yet, how many of the discussions in the Trek-related forums here have to do with sex? Comparatively few. Let's go compare a furry board, shall we?

As soon as you show where I said that Star Trek boards are comprised of mostly sexual threads and posts.

You tried to claim that the sexual component of Star Trek and Star Wars is of the same degree as the sexual component in furry fandom. I think you just admitted that furry fandom is inherently more sexual. Thanks!

I don't want to talk about you accusing me of being a martyr? No, I don't, because it's not true, and I want this thread to be civil.

I've been totally civil.

You have a problem with my taste, and I don't expect you to go along with it. If everyone were the same, life would be boring and devoid of variety, the things that make it fun and worthwhile.

I don't have a problem with your taste, I have a problem with how you choose to express it here.

I have no axe to grind.

We both do. I'm just honest about it.

No, just as I don't tell you where I live, I don't tell you other boards I frequent. It is a matter of privacy, and I ask that you respect that. Besides, you don't need me to go to other furry boards.

Then I guess you won't argue with the assertion that furry boards are predominantly focused on sexuality.

It doesn't bother me. The only thing that actually does bother me is the idea that I'm into pedophilia or bestiality and I'm not. This bothers me because it can have social ramifications upon my life, since many people equate them.

I didn't claim you were into pedophilia. However, I did say that I think furries are a step or two away from bestiality, and I stand by that. You are sexualizing animals. No matter how you want to dress it up, that's what it is.

That is a personal assumption on your part. Everyone likes attention. The question is whether I do it solely for attention, and the answer to that is no.

Once again: if you say so.

Why do you answer as if I volunteered that without provocation? You made a statement, I corrected you.

Just pointing out that you clearly do have an ulterior motive in promoting furry fandom. How come the people who are into only the non-sexual stuff don't make a big deal about it?

It is a soft answer in response to a harsh question.

If that helps you intellectualize the fact that you're fapping to drawings of animals, whatever works, I guess.

Both bestiality and pedophilia are deviant sexual preferences. Both involve parties in sexual acts who cannot give consent. That you do not see the correlation is your problem.

There is no correlation between anthro art and bestiality or pedophilia. The whole purpose of anthro art is that there are human traits present, including human sentience.

At best, it's a pretty strange sexual fetish. At worst, it's betiality. Somewhere in the middle, you have people who are taking their role-playing to what I would consider an unhealthy extreme.

I think you are trying to portray furry fandom as something more wholesome and typical than it is.

I am simply answering questions. You can, and do, take them however you wish. All I am saying, and have been saying, is that furry fandom isn't just sexual in nature.

J.

Yes, fine, I will concede it's not 100% sexual. Maybe 90-98%. Happy?

 

[Plecostomus]

*makes popcorn*

 

[DonIago]

I think this conversation is becoming somewhat of a ping-pong match.

 

[Amaris]

People that don't fursuit do not find fursuiting normal. There's no one.

I do not fursuit and do not find fursuiting abnormal. Do you find dressing up for Halloween or a party to be abnormal? Most fursuiters only dress up when getting together for a party or convention.

You tried to claim that the sexual component of Star Trek and Star Wars is of the same degree as the sexual component in furry fandom. I think you just admitted that furry fandom is inherently more sexual. Thanks!

I did not make that claim, no. I stated that sex sells and that you can find it in just about everything.

I don't have a problem with your taste, I have a problem with how you choose to express it here.

I simply post avatars, wallpapers and pictures that I like. That puts me in with most of the board.

We both do. I'm just honest about it.

I have no axe to grind.

Then I guess you won't argue with the assertion that furry boards are predominantly focused on sexuality.

Your assertions are yours to make. I simply said the fandom does not, as a whole, consist solely of a sexual nature. Anything after that has been speculation and assertion on your part.

I didn't claim you were into pedophilia. However, I did say that I think furries are a step or two away from bestiality, and I stand by that. You are sexualizing animals. No matter how you want to dress it up, that's what it is.

You equated enjoying anthro art as being akin to pedophilia and bestiality "as far as you were concerned".

Once again: if you say so.

Indeed I do.

Just pointing out that you clearly do have an ulterior motive in promoting furry fandom. How come the people who are into only the non-sexual stuff don't make a big deal about it?

I have no ulterior motive aside from curiosity. I have no agenda.

If that helps you intellectualize the fact that you're fapping to drawings of animals, whatever works, I guess.

It is a soft answer to a harsh question.

At best, it's a pretty strange sexual fetish. At worst, it's betiality. Somewhere in the middle, you have people who are taking their role-playing to what I would consider an unhealthy extreme.

That is your opinion and your assertions.

Yes, fine, I will concede it's not 100% sexual. Maybe 90-98%. Happy?

You can assume whatever you wish to assume. You are free to do so. All I am doing is asking questions because I am curious about other's thoughts, and answering questions in an effort to clear the air of any misconception.


J.

 

[TwoTailedFox]

I think this conversation is becoming somewhat of a ping-pong match.

<removed on advice>

Stench, can I has some of your popcorn?

 

[Plecostomus]

Edit your post to remove "cock slapping" first. Don't want to risk an infraction for flame-baiting.

 

[Amaris]

I think this conversation is becoming somewhat of a ping-pong match.

I'd rather it not, though. People are free to ask questions, and I think I have answered to the best of my ability, the ones that have been presented.

I was thinking a ****-slapping match, but your analogy fits, too.

No. This is not adversarial. This is completely open, people can ask whatever questions they want.

J.

 

[TwoTailedFox]

Edit your post to remove "cock slapping" first. Don't want to risk an infraction for flame-baiting.

I suppose not, I forget the rules are (fairly) tight here.

 

[Plecostomus]

Why is there a tag called "Robau brand products"?

Robau is marketing his own brand of Furry-based products... made mostly from the pulp of people who beat the issue to death in threads like this.

And it goes without saying, said product is pure AWESOME.


...and lest you incur his BADASS WRATH Robau wishes to remind you to keep the discussion civil at all times for Robau approves of both Furry and Non-Furry people.

Praise be to the Glorious Robau.

Amen.