Fun Facts
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Of course I love all these stories about Star Trek, the brave new frontier.
But a lot of it is bullshit.
Pretty great tv show though
But a lot of it is bullshit.
Pretty great tv show though
What gets to me sometimes is when Trek has the right idea but then someone balks and the whole show takes a step back; for example, it's pretty well known now that Jonathan Frakes wanted a man to play Soren in the Outcast to really drive the episode's message home. That really raised my level of respect for Frakes (but then again, everybody's gay for Riker).
I am not even remotely gay for Riker (least favorite character in the franchise). But I didn't know Frakes wanted Soren to be played by a guy, my respect is definitely raised! And if I ever get to ask him a question at a con that will be the one!
And yes, totally agree, someone balks
At the end of the day the peeps in charge of Trek are not in the business of busting through barriers and making brave tv.
And yes, totally agree, someone balks
At the end of the day the peeps in charge of Trek are not in the business of busting through barriers and making brave tv.
Wellp, I also have too much time on my hands sometimes, so I take a dip in the trivia pool now and then!
That's why the freaking interracial kiss mythology pisses me off so much. Firstly it was highly contrived and about enslavement, nothing to celebrate. Secondly that was IT! Trek did nothing else and in fact was way behind other tv shows airing concurrently.
Buffy had a main character in a lesbian relationship and Trek was still freaking out. We have to face this as fans, the mythology and the reality did not tally.
Buffy had a main character in a lesbian relationship and Trek was still freaking out. We have to face this as fans, the mythology and the reality did not tally.
Hell, at the moment, Star Trek is one of the very few major franchises in the world not to feature homosexuality. Pretty sad that a franchise with a reputation for being so progressive is now so backwards.
Okay, so we have seen lesbians on DS9, but if anything I've considered this worse than not having any indications of homosexuality at all. Because, where in all on screen Trek is the one place where homosexuality does definitely exist? The Mirror Universe, which is meant to depict the Trek universe turned "evil and wrong." That's really unbelievably offensive right there.
At least the Trek novels have been featuring gay characters and relationships for years, as spotlighted several months ago when novel author David Mack responded awesomely to a homophobe who swore never to read another of his books because it featured a gay character.
Okay, so we have seen lesbians on DS9, but if anything I've considered this worse than not having any indications of homosexuality at all. Because, where in all on screen Trek is the one place where homosexuality does definitely exist? The Mirror Universe, which is meant to depict the Trek universe turned "evil and wrong." That's really unbelievably offensive right there.
At least the Trek novels have been featuring gay characters and relationships for years, as spotlighted several months ago when novel author David Mack responded awesomely to a homophobe who swore never to read another of his books because it featured a gay character.
^Agreed I really, really do hope that if a new series gets made we finally get a gay character. And I'm really not one of those people who clamors for gay/minority characters in every work of fiction, but in a *huge* franchise like Star Trek? It's a bit overdue.
But Star Wars is not much better, their first gay character (to appear in the new movies) apparently is an evil Imperial general. Yay.
Of course maybe she'll do a heel-face turn, but if not, it's probably Mirror!Kira all over again.
But Star Wars is not much better, their first gay character (to appear in the new movies) apparently is an evil Imperial general. Yay.
Of course maybe she'll do a heel-face turn, but if not, it's probably Mirror!Kira all over again.
There's a thread about it every few months.
Speaking of "facts", for those unfamiliar, I highly recommend the Star Trek Fact Check blog (link).
Frakes was open to the idea of Will Riker being killed off and continuing the series as Tom Riker, because it would have given him a chance to develop the new character. But someone decided it was a bad idea.
It's funny that they didn't/couldn't/wouldn't do that for Frakes, but they did it for Spiner and B4. But alas, there was no filmed follow-up to Nemesis for that idea.
That would have been such a great idea, interesting on so many levels. Though it would have taken some twisting to stick him on the ship right away, he really needed to go back and do some catch up courses. Though a one sentence reference to it and a bit of a time jump and voila!
Random Trek fun facts
Supposedly, LaVar was supposed to be a gay character in the original draft of TNG.
William Shatner had a really, really freaky sex scene with Angie Dickinson.
Levar Burton read a book called, "Go the f#ck to Sleep" filled with curses, to an audience while wearing a Captain Planet T shirt.
Nichelle Nichols gives the most evil, nastiest, curse filled speech in the movie Trucker Turner.
When Sulu grabs Uhura he calls her a fair maiden. Uhura breaks away and says, "Sorry, neither", possibly asserting she is black, and implying she is not a virgin.
It was thought to be something she slipped in, but apparently it was in the script.
The fact that some of these Trek fun facts are raunchy, is just a coincidence.
Supposedly, LaVar was supposed to be a gay character in the original draft of TNG.
William Shatner had a really, really freaky sex scene with Angie Dickinson.
Levar Burton read a book called, "Go the f#ck to Sleep" filled with curses, to an audience while wearing a Captain Planet T shirt.
Nichelle Nichols gives the most evil, nastiest, curse filled speech in the movie Trucker Turner.
When Sulu grabs Uhura he calls her a fair maiden. Uhura breaks away and says, "Sorry, neither", possibly asserting she is black, and implying she is not a virgin.
It was thought to be something she slipped in, but apparently it was in the script.
The fact that some of these Trek fun facts are raunchy, is just a coincidence.
Stewart looks like Ben Affleck in this picture,
Guys, PStew is already in the Marvel Universe, he doesn't need any DC roles too!
Quoting this for emphasis. Very worthwhile endeavor from one of our very own posters.
I don't necessarily object to a villain being a gay character, even if they are the first gay character in a long running franchise. And Trek had done a Prime Universe character like Mirror Kira, I'd be okay with that. My problem is that in over 700 episodes of Star Trek and 12 movies the only times we see any evidence that homosexuality even exists is whenever we see the "evil and wrong" Mirror Universe.
He certainly wasn't unknown to me. I'd already seen him in I, Claudius (Lucius Aelius Sejanus), Dune (Gurney Halleck), and Lady Jane (Henry Grey). The only one of those in which he had a noticeable amount of hair was in I, Claudius.
There's even a precedent for that! James Garner's 1970s western series "Nichols." He played an easy-going fella who got roped into being the sheriff of a small town. It was decided that his character was too easy-going. So he got killed! And guess who showed up for his funeral? His tougher twin brother, who took over.
Aww, thanks!
I wish I had more time to devote to it, but alas, that pesky day job. I hope to have more material ready soon, though.
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