Full Circle

[Hannibal]

I know this has probably been discussed, and discussed... but what are the feelings out there on the ship types in the Full Circle fleet?

I figure (the unknowns):

Curie/Hawking = Nebula Slipstream variant
Demeter = Luna slipstream variant
Planck = Norway
Achilles = Prometheus
Galen = something similar to the Prometheus middle section, with down swept pylons.

I know these details are not critical to the story telling process but I like to mod ST:Legacy, and having a Full Circle mission requires something fills the void.

My reasoning for these is this: In Kirsten Beyer's Full Circle, the fleet had two new Vestas, and so it was implied that the rest were refits. In the wake of the Borg invasion, it's highly unlikely that they would have engineered new ship classes for slipstream; that is what the Vesta was about as a testbed. They would need to use compatable existing hulls. Also, the only ship given depth of description is the Galen, also implying it is the most unique and experimental.

The one that I really, really feel should fit is the Achilles. First, even though the naming conventions don't follow exclusive rules, it fits as a Prometheus class name. The class seems like one that would be slipstream compatable. Also, even though it is has the multi-vector trick, it can easily be a modular frame allowing a special outfit for fleet supplies.

The deal maker on that one though is what I imagine the Nova/Miranda Galen would look like. The first time we all saw MVAM, I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking the middle part could almost stand alone. Add one deck under the saucer and you have 6, as mentioned in Unworthy, and just use lowered pylons that extrend a short way from the star drive and you have chasis that is easily modified from an existing one.

Having been a military vet, the real logistical process is one that Trek seldom accomodates, however, the use of an existing platform, which we know was quite hologram friendly, is much easier to believe than building up from scratch, especially after a massive war. Why redesign a frame when you don't need to? Adapt...

I'm sure most of what is coming in Kirsten's new book is already written, and my projections about a Luna or Norway in the fleet are just guesses, but add in the potential modularity of merging with a Promie saucer in an emergency (of what kind I'm not sure) and you might have a new degree of flexibility that such a taskforce would require.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Janeway is still dead.

That's all I have to say about the ship types.


<-------- yes, a rather anal and unhelpful post on my part

 

[F. King Daniel]

You'd probably get more help in the Treklit forum. I recall someone there saying that there weren't any Nebula-class ships in the Voyager fleet.

 

[RyuRoots]

Janeway is still dead.

But yes, TrekLit will probably be far more helpful for your ship topic, Hannibal.

 

[Kirsten Beyer]

Children of the Storm contains an appendix that lists all of the ships in the fleet with their class, crew compliment, and featured characters. So all of these questions will be answered there.

Best,
Kirsten Beyer

 

[Galekarens]

The only question that Kathryn Janeway's supporters, of which there are many, many, are interested in is WHEN WILL OUR CAPTAIN COME BACK (in human form, and back to her old self)? Otherwise we are not interested in any further "Voy" books, which are not really Voyager, unless the main character of the TV series is returned to us. We are going to vote with our wallets, and not buy any more Trek lit books (and especially not this next "Voy" one) until this happens. KJ Lives! PS Thanks to all the KJ fans who have given their support to this cause, glad to know you're with us, and this wrong has been partly righted by your efforts. Bring Back Kathryn Janeway!

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

BRING BACK KATHRYN JANEWAY!!!

Letter writing suggestions and addresses here:

http://www.newearth-jcparadise.de/bring_back_janeway.php

 

[RyuRoots]

What is WRONG with you people? It's supposed to be a thread about ships, not your fanatical worship of Janeway. Go make another thread if your knickers are in such a knot. Yeesh, you're as bad as you all know who with his whole "haters" schtick.

 

[JB2005]

[you know who you are ]
OMG I JUST REALISED. IF MOST OF THE CREW WAS KILLED IN FULL CIRCLE, THAT MEANS IN ALL LIKELIHOOD UN-NAMED EXTRA #3 IS NOW DEAD!!!!!

NOOO
OOOOOO!!!!

HOW CAN I ENJOY VOYAGER WITHOUT UNNAMED EXTRA #3??? WTF IS PARAMOUNT DOING LETTING POCKET SAVAGE VOYAGER BY KILLING OFF UNNAMED EXTRA #3? I PROPOSE A LETTER WRITING CAMPAIGN TO HAVE UNNAMED EXTRA #3 RESTORED TO LIFE!!!
[/you know who you are ]

I think the whole Nebula concept was raised because the ships shared names with Nebulas in Armada and Armada II, and Memory Beta saw no reason (at the time) to differentiate!

Seriously looking forward to the next Voyager book (i've had it on pre-order for months! just mad it's gonna get here a month after the US [and Germany usually for some reason =s] gets it!!!)

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

What is WRONG with you people? It's supposed to be a thread about ships, not your fanatical worship of Janeway. Go make another thread if your knickers are in such a knot. Yeesh, you're as bad as you all know who with his whole "haters" schtick.

We're no different than Lynx who brings up Kes's dumping/exploding during any discussion of Voyager from season 4 onwards.

The thing is Treklit is highly subject to change and there is no reason to believe that saying that we don't like Janeway's death when Voyager Relaunch (the title of this thread being one of them) is mentioned might not actually have an influence.

Oh and hopefully if Ms. Beyer brings Janeway back (you do know Ms. Beyer that we will LOVE you in a non-frightening way if that happens?) she will have TRULY awesome ship.

Let's plan what ship Janeway should have in Relaunch when she returns.

 

[od0_ital]

^

Just keep in mind that Lynx got banned from the board for awhile because of his pro-Kes postings.

Maybe he's not the best example to use in how to be a productive member of the board.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Well I did not know that. I also did not know Lynx was male. Anyway I'm actually just having fun with this thread because no one was discussing the ships, just referring the OP to Treklit. It amused me to turn it into a Relaunch is missing you-know-who thread.

 

[AuntKate]

If we have gone so far from the familiar (and popular) world of the Star Trek television series that we have to include an appendix to describe the ship classes and important crew members, etc., then I'm wondering if we should just face facts and label these books as something other than Star Trek Voyager or Star Trek The Next Generation. Call the "Voyager Relaunch" something like "Star Trek Delta Quadrant." At least that way readers won't be picking up a Voyager novel only to discover that major members of the crew are absent.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

If we have gone so far from the familiar (and popular) world of the Star Trek television series that we have to include an appendix to describe the ship classes and important crew members, etc., then I'm wondering if we should just face facts and label these books as something other than Star Trek Voyager or Star Trek The Next Generation. Call the "Voyager Relaunch" something like "Star Trek Delta Quadrant." At least that way readers won't be picking up a Voyager novel only to discover that major members of the crew are absent.

They are already morphing from being labeled with individual series. Typhon Pact, Destiny.. but there are lots of unfinished stories specific to the individual series that, from what I've read anyway, people really want to be resolved. I would love it if we could get away from the galaxy threatening mega-dramas and get back to telling the smaller stories.

 

[Kirsten Beyer]

If we have gone so far from the familiar (and popular) world of the Star Trek television series that we have to include an appendix to describe the ship classes and important crew members, etc., then I'm wondering if we should just face facts and label these books as something other than Star Trek Voyager or Star Trek The Next Generation. Call the "Voyager Relaunch" something like "Star Trek Delta Quadrant." At least that way readers won't be picking up a Voyager novel only to discover that major members of the crew are absent.

FWIW, even if Janeway, Tuvok and Kes were still present, I would have included the appendix. Voyager is leading a fleet of nine ships. That's a lot of new people for Chakotay, Tom, B'Elanna, Harry, Seven, The Doctor, and Neelix to interact with, as well as new ship names and functions. As always, Chakotay, Tom, B'Elanna, Harry, Seven, The Doctor and Neelix remain at the heart of the story, but they are playing in a bigger sandbox now, so it's a handy reference for those who are interested.

In some ways it's not all that different from the credits of guest stars at the beginning or end of any given Voyager episode. We all know they aren't the main characters because they aren't in the opening credits. But it's still nice to know who they are. (And also contractually negotiated and mandated by SAG, depending on the size of the role that they play.)

In the case of the novels, it's not so much necessary, but it might be helpful, especially given the length of time between the novel's releases. Unlike televised Voyager, we can't produce novels every week for twenty-six weeks of the year so we can't expect the audience for the novels, even the die-hard fans, to keep the little details as clear in their heads as they are for those of us who write them. Nevermind the fact that a lot of Trek fans really love these kinds of details that may not emerge in the text of a story but have nonetheless been established. Hence, I'm assuming, the OP's questions.

And since this isn't the first time you've made this suggestion, Aunt Kate, you should feel free to label these stories anything you like. (I have no doubt a wide and colorful selection of expletives leap to mind.) But I'm pretty sure the people who publish them are going to keep calling them Star Trek: Voyager.

Best,
Kirsten Beyer

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I for one always like appendices

And since as Ms. Beyer says there are big gaps between novels I would appreciate more of them! My memory often sucks, especially for original characters, planet names etc.. I am frequently racking my brain trying to remember who someone is.

So Ms. Beyer.. does Janeway come back in Children of the Storm? Since you are here I figure there is no harm in asking

 

[HoneyBLilly]

Ms. Beyer,

It's not that we want to scare you into bringing Janeway back. I, for one, loved Full Circle. It was a wonderful book. But for some of us Janeway was what made Voyager so great, or a part of it, and for her to be gone is like a PB&J without the jelly.

I'm sure if you ever bring her back you will do it brilliantly. And make up for her dishonorable death in a wondrous way.

 

[DigificWriter]

I don't understand this obsessive distaste for/hatred of Janeway's death in the novels, which aren't canon anyway, particularly because, as per the canon, she wasn't even part of Voyager's crew any longer, and there's absolutely no guarantee that the editors and writers of the ST fiction would have even used her as a permanent part of the post-finale Voyager novels as anything other than a supporting/tertiary character even if she were still alive (Christie Golden chose to keep her involved, but there's no guarantee that she would have stayed involved long-term).

What makes this whole thing even more dumb-founding to me is that I don't see people obsessing over the fact that the novels moved other major Voyager characters into supporting roles or excised them from the post-finale narrative completely, nor do I see people clamoring for said characters to be re-inserted into the post-finale novels.

Oh, and before anyone asks, yes I am a Voyager fan, and rank it as my second favorite Trek series.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Imagine if someone wrote a really lame Voyager book in which Picard acted completely out of character, made idiotic decisions and then was killed off. Don't you think DigificWriter that people would be a wee bit put out? This is what was done to Janeway in a TNG novel.

I will be fine about it if she is brought back and relegated to Admiral duties. Sure I would rather she was prominent in VOY relaunch but if she becomes a secondary character I won't even blink. It's her DEATH and complete and utter DISHONOR in how she was treated in a very badly written book that utterly pisses me off.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I don't understand this obsessive distaste for/hatred of Janeway's death in the novels, which aren't canon anyway

Since there is no more Voyager canon, and isn't gonna be, she's dead in the only new (official) Voyager adventures. That's understandable to me.