Full Circle Review Thread (Spoilers)

[KimMH]

Kill the b*stard please!!!

I liked the other new characters - they may stay

Well,given the characters first name,it was too tempting for me not to mentally cast a certain W.Defoe in the role of Admiral Batiste.And seeing that I could watch that actor read passages from the phone book ,I'm reluctant to see him go.


That said,an exit by Batiste,a subsequent promotion for Eden would pave the way for Chakotays return to Voyager.
Isn't it great to see such enthusiasm about arguably Treks most maligned incarnation?[/QUOTE]



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I hope Batiste has a chance to redeem himself in the DQ. I never thought of Dafoe but now you mention him he does seem a great actor to portray him.

 

[JD]

That was my first thought to, but I wasn't sure what I thought of the choice. If other people like it to then I must not be totally off.

 

[brcarthey]

does anyone have an idea when the back cover synopsis for "unworthy" will be made public?

nevermind, it's actually posted on amazon.com now:

Product Description
In the climactic conclusion to the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy the greatest menace to the galaxy, the Borg, were absorbed into the Caeliar gestalt -- with one exception, Seven of Nine, who finds herself trapped in a half existence, neither drone nor human. Seven agrees to join Chakotay, the former captain of the USS Voyager, to rendezvous with the ships that Starfleet Command has sent into the Delta Quadrant and see if they can solve the mystery of the Caeliar's disappearance. In a region of space which has lived in fear of instant annihilation, Voyager is charged with reaching out to possible allies and resolving old enmities. But these are not the friendly stars of the Federation, and out here the unknown and the unexpected cannot be dealt with by standard Starfleet protocols.

 

[John Clark]

I've really only just started it. I have to say I like Lt. Cambridge though

 

[JD]

does anyone have an idea when the back cover synopsis for "unworthy" will be made public?

nevermind, it's actually posted on amazon.com now:

Product Description
In the climactic conclusion to the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy the greatest menace to the galaxy, the Borg, were absorbed into the Caeliar gestalt -- with one exception, Seven of Nine, who finds herself trapped in a half existence, neither drone nor human. Seven agrees to join Chakotay, the former captain of the USS Voyager, to rendezvous with the ships that Starfleet Command has sent into the Delta Quadrant and see if they can solve the mystery of the Caeliar's disappearance. In a region of space which has lived in fear of instant annihilation, Voyager is charged with reaching out to possible allies and resolving old enmities. But these are not the friendly stars of the Federation, and out here the unknown and the unexpected cannot be dealt with by standard Starfleet protocols.

That's from the catalouge, and those are never the final version of the blurb. The authors worn us alot that they are not very accurate, but I've noticed that what they talk about (usually) happens, but it's just a very vauge baisic idea of the real plot of the book.

 

[brcarthey]

does anyone have an idea when the back cover synopsis for "unworthy" will be made public?

nevermind, it's actually posted on amazon.com now:

Product Description
In the climactic conclusion to the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy the greatest menace to the galaxy, the Borg, were absorbed into the Caeliar gestalt -- with one exception, Seven of Nine, who finds herself trapped in a half existence, neither drone nor human. Seven agrees to join Chakotay, the former captain of the USS Voyager, to rendezvous with the ships that Starfleet Command has sent into the Delta Quadrant and see if they can solve the mystery of the Caeliar's disappearance. In a region of space which has lived in fear of instant annihilation, Voyager is charged with reaching out to possible allies and resolving old enmities. But these are not the friendly stars of the Federation, and out here the unknown and the unexpected cannot be dealt with by standard Starfleet protocols.

That's from the catalouge, and those are never the final version of the blurb. The authors worn us alot that they are not very accurate, but I've noticed that what they talk about (usually) happens, but it's just a very vauge baisic idea of the real plot of the book.

what a pisser!!

 

[DimesDan]

does anyone have an idea when the back cover synopsis for "unworthy" will be made public?

nevermind, it's actually posted on amazon.com now:

Product Description
In the climactic conclusion to the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy the greatest menace to the galaxy, the Borg, were absorbed into the Caeliar gestalt -- with one exception, Seven of Nine, who finds herself trapped in a half existence, neither drone nor human. Seven agrees to join Chakotay, the former captain of the USS Voyager, to rendezvous with the ships that Starfleet Command has sent into the Delta Quadrant and see if they can solve the mystery of the Caeliar's disappearance. In a region of space which has lived in fear of instant annihilation, Voyager is charged with reaching out to possible allies and resolving old enmities. But these are not the friendly stars of the Federation, and out here the unknown and the unexpected cannot be dealt with by standard Starfleet protocols.

That's from the catalouge, and those are never the final version of the blurb. The authors worn us alot that they are not very accurate, but I've noticed that what they talk about (usually) happens, but it's just a very vauge baisic idea of the real plot of the book.

JD, haven't they warned you about the specifics of the catalogue as you have been the one posting links and details of the up and coming books from it?

As for the blurb of Unworthy, if that description is at all correct, it sounds rather good.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

Based on my enjoyment of "Full Circle", the only certainty I have about "Unworthy" is that it will be definately worth reading.

 

[JD]

does anyone have an idea when the back cover synopsis for "unworthy" will be made public?

nevermind, it's actually posted on amazon.com now:

Product Description
In the climactic conclusion to the Star Trek: Destiny trilogy the greatest menace to the galaxy, the Borg, were absorbed into the Caeliar gestalt -- with one exception, Seven of Nine, who finds herself trapped in a half existence, neither drone nor human. Seven agrees to join Chakotay, the former captain of the USS Voyager, to rendezvous with the ships that Starfleet Command has sent into the Delta Quadrant and see if they can solve the mystery of the Caeliar's disappearance. In a region of space which has lived in fear of instant annihilation, Voyager is charged with reaching out to possible allies and resolving old enmities. But these are not the friendly stars of the Federation, and out here the unknown and the unexpected cannot be dealt with by standard Starfleet protocols.

That's from the catalouge, and those are never the final version of the blurb. The authors worn us alot that they are not very accurate, but I've noticed that what they talk about (usually) happens, but it's just a very vauge baisic idea of the real plot of the book.

JD, haven't they warned you about the specifics of the catalogue as you have been the one posting links and details of the up and coming books from it?

As for the blurb of Unworthy, if that description is at all correct, it sounds rather good.

Yeah, that's why I was warning him it isn't final, or completely accurate.

 

[Tom Riley]

I just finished the book a little over a week ago, I hadn't known this thread was here till just now. Personally I loved the book. I felt that the entire thing was good. It did have that odd feeling of being slightly disconnected between the two sections, but it wasn't too bad. Now, I have always hated Chakotay, so I wasn't sad to see him get replaced on Voyager and subsequently leave Starfleet. However, Kristen DID manage to make me actually feel for him during that big period when he was mentally shot. Like I said, I've always hated Chakotay, from the very first episode, and she managed to make me actually feel for him. I thought it was so perfectly layed out and executed. I love that counselor that's been brought on board Voyager now, Hugh Cambridge. He totally reminds me of Dr House. The one thing I don't like, was that there was a third chair added to the bridge for Cambridge... I was never fond of the idea of a random counselor on the bridge, there never seemed to be any practical use for it. I didn't even like Troi on the bridge of the Enterprise. There was just no point to the ship's counselor being on the bridge. Although Cambridge definitely proved his worth to the crew, I don't quite think his presence on the bridge is any more necessary than Neelix's presence on the bridge would have been. Speaking of Neelix, I am looking forward to the possibility of Neelix meeting up again with Voyager now that they will be back in the Delta Quadrant...

But anyways, great, great book. I loved how it had the ability to make me feel for people I didn't like, and also it had me at parts just marvalling at the sheer awesome that was emanating from the pages.

I'll be eagerly awaiting Unworthy.

BTW, I'm a huge fan of Janeway, and I was upset that she died, but I thought it was handled a whole lot better in this book than it was originally in Before Dishonor.

 

[Deranged Nasat]

I just finished the book a little over a week ago, I hadn't known this thread was here till just now. Personally I loved the book. I felt that the entire thing was good. It did have that odd feeling of being slightly disconnected between the two sections, but it wasn't too bad. Now, I have always hated Chakotay, so I wasn't sad to see him get replaced on Voyager and subsequently leave Starfleet. However, Kristen DID manage to make me actually feel for him during that big period when he was mentally shot. Like I said, I've always hated Chakotay, from the very first episode, and she managed to make me actually feel for him. I thought it was so perfectly layed out and executed. I love that counselor that's been brought on board Voyager now, Hugh Cambridge. He totally reminds me of Dr House. The one thing I don't like, was that there was a third chair added to the bridge for Cambridge... I was never fond of the idea of a random counselor on the bridge, there never seemed to be any practical use for it. I didn't even like Troi on the bridge of the Enterprise. There was just no point to the ship's counselor being on the bridge. Although Cambridge definitely proved his worth to the crew, I don't quite think his presence on the bridge is any more necessary than Neelix's presence on the bridge would have been. Speaking of Neelix, I am looking forward to the possibility of Neelix meeting up again with Voyager now that they will be back in the Delta Quadrant...

But anyways, great, great book. I loved how it had the ability to make me feel for people I didn't like, and also it had me at parts just marvalling at the sheer awesome that was emanating from the pages.

I'll be eagerly awaiting Unworthy.

BTW, I'm a huge fan of Janeway, and I was upset that she died, but I thought it was handled a whole lot better in this book than it was originally in Before Dishonor.

The counselor being on the bridge makes perfect sense, if he/she is also trained as a contact officer, and can give insight into the psychology and culture of beings the ship encounters. Given the level of insight Cambridge showed during the Klingon business in part one, surely a captain would definately want this counselor at their side. Also, Troi was sort of a diplomatic officer as well as a counselor. If the captain falters during contact, the counselor might be the best hope to ensure peaceful relations.

 

[Tom Riley]

I just finished the book a little over a week ago, I hadn't known this thread was here till just now. Personally I loved the book. I felt that the entire thing was good. It did have that odd feeling of being slightly disconnected between the two sections, but it wasn't too bad. Now, I have always hated Chakotay, so I wasn't sad to see him get replaced on Voyager and subsequently leave Starfleet. However, Kristen DID manage to make me actually feel for him during that big period when he was mentally shot. Like I said, I've always hated Chakotay, from the very first episode, and she managed to make me actually feel for him. I thought it was so perfectly layed out and executed. I love that counselor that's been brought on board Voyager now, Hugh Cambridge. He totally reminds me of Dr House. The one thing I don't like, was that there was a third chair added to the bridge for Cambridge... I was never fond of the idea of a random counselor on the bridge, there never seemed to be any practical use for it. I didn't even like Troi on the bridge of the Enterprise. There was just no point to the ship's counselor being on the bridge. Although Cambridge definitely proved his worth to the crew, I don't quite think his presence on the bridge is any more necessary than Neelix's presence on the bridge would have been. Speaking of Neelix, I am looking forward to the possibility of Neelix meeting up again with Voyager now that they will be back in the Delta Quadrant...

But anyways, great, great book. I loved how it had the ability to make me feel for people I didn't like, and also it had me at parts just marvalling at the sheer awesome that was emanating from the pages.

I'll be eagerly awaiting Unworthy.

BTW, I'm a huge fan of Janeway, and I was upset that she died, but I thought it was handled a whole lot better in this book than it was originally in Before Dishonor.

The counselor being on the bridge makes perfect sense, if he/she is also trained as a contact officer, and can give insight into the psychology and culture of beings the ship encounters. Given the level of insight Cambridge showed during the Klingon business in part one, surely a captain would definately want this counselor at their side. Also, Troi was sort of a diplomatic officer as well as a counselor. If the captain falters during contact, the counselor might be the best hope to ensure peaceful relations.

IF they are trained as a contact officer. Certainly being a counselor doesn't mean you would be trained as such, it would most likely be something separate they would have to do in the academy or something. And as I said, Cambridge definitely proved his worth to the crew, but I still don't see why he would need to be on the bridge. Neelix knew far more than ANYONE on Voyager about the Delta Quadrant and it's people that they could/did encounter for the first portion of their trip, and he wasn't kept on the Bridge. Having Cambridge on the bridge is, IMO, no more necessary than having Neelix on the Bridge.

 

[KimMH]

^^^ agreed. I always thought that the most valid reason for Troi to be on the bridge of Picard's Enterprise. I always feared the cute chick factor was the reason TNG placed her there instead of on her own merits.

I do so hope Seven and Chakotay both end up with the DQ fleet. Now how do we smuggle Kathryn back into that fleet?

Kristen, I know you can do it!

 

[Tom Riley]

Now how do we smuggle Kathryn back into that fleet?

She was last seen with a Q... Full scale invasion of the Q continuum!

 

[JB2005]

^^ Well maybe we could get Cambridge onto the bridge for the cute-chick factor...it is the 24th century

 

[Deranged Nasat]

I just finished the book a little over a week ago, I hadn't known this thread was here till just now. Personally I loved the book. I felt that the entire thing was good. It did have that odd feeling of being slightly disconnected between the two sections, but it wasn't too bad. Now, I have always hated Chakotay, so I wasn't sad to see him get replaced on Voyager and subsequently leave Starfleet. However, Kristen DID manage to make me actually feel for him during that big period when he was mentally shot. Like I said, I've always hated Chakotay, from the very first episode, and she managed to make me actually feel for him. I thought it was so perfectly layed out and executed. I love that counselor that's been brought on board Voyager now, Hugh Cambridge. He totally reminds me of Dr House. The one thing I don't like, was that there was a third chair added to the bridge for Cambridge... I was never fond of the idea of a random counselor on the bridge, there never seemed to be any practical use for it. I didn't even like Troi on the bridge of the Enterprise. There was just no point to the ship's counselor being on the bridge. Although Cambridge definitely proved his worth to the crew, I don't quite think his presence on the bridge is any more necessary than Neelix's presence on the bridge would have been. Speaking of Neelix, I am looking forward to the possibility of Neelix meeting up again with Voyager now that they will be back in the Delta Quadrant...

But anyways, great, great book. I loved how it had the ability to make me feel for people I didn't like, and also it had me at parts just marvalling at the sheer awesome that was emanating from the pages.

I'll be eagerly awaiting Unworthy.

BTW, I'm a huge fan of Janeway, and I was upset that she died, but I thought it was handled a whole lot better in this book than it was originally in Before Dishonor.

The counselor being on the bridge makes perfect sense, if he/she is also trained as a contact officer, and can give insight into the psychology and culture of beings the ship encounters. Given the level of insight Cambridge showed during the Klingon business in part one, surely a captain would definately want this counselor at their side. Also, Troi was sort of a diplomatic officer as well as a counselor. If the captain falters during contact, the counselor might be the best hope to ensure peaceful relations.

IF they are trained as a contact officer. Certainly being a counselor doesn't mean you would be trained as such, it would most likely be something separate they would have to do in the academy or something. And as I said, Cambridge definitely proved his worth to the crew, but I still don't see why he would need to be on the bridge. Neelix knew far more than ANYONE on Voyager about the Delta Quadrant and it's people that they could/did encounter for the first portion of their trip, and he wasn't kept on the Bridge. Having Cambridge on the bridge is, IMO, no more necessary than having Neelix on the Bridge.

Now when you put it that way...you're right, Neelix not being there while Cambridge is there is odd. Well, maybe they've learnt from their mistake, then

 

[Tom Riley]

^^ Well maybe we could get Cambridge onto the bridge for the cute-chick factor...it is the 24th century

Now when you put it that way...you're right, Neelix not being there while Cambridge is there is odd. Well, maybe they've learnt from their mistake, then

I suppose that's one way of looking at it.

 

[Christopher]

IF they are trained as a contact officer. Certainly being a counselor doesn't mean you would be trained as such, it would most likely be something separate they would have to do in the academy or something.

Which is why, in the current Enterprise-E crew, Counselor Hegol isn't a bridge officer and contact specialist T'Ryssa Chen takes the "third chair" instead.

 

[Stevil2001]

Can T'Ryssa sit still long enough to really count as a user of the third chair?

 

[Christopher]

^Sure she can. She fidgets, though.