First off Rebecca Mader is hot. Second is she's cute. Third is she can look really creepy.
Fringe 4x22 - "Brave New World, Part II" (Discussion, Spoilers)
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I thought it was a good episode. I was rather puzzled on why Olivia announced that she was pregnant to Peter when earlier in Part 1 she mentioned "nursery". I thought she had already told him that.
The whole Olivia getting shot scene was a bit sad. I almost thought that Peter was going to beat up Walter. I liked how Astrid came out with the candy in the hospital.
The whole Olivia getting shot scene was a bit sad. I almost thought that Peter was going to beat up Walter. I liked how Astrid came out with the candy in the hospital.
Agreed on all accounts.
Question about Broyles...When did he become a Colonel? Colonel Broyles was in the Red Universe. He was Agent Broyles in the Blue/Amber universe.
So why does he suddenly have an army rank? Actually, one of the things that I've noticed is that they've slowly converted the Blue universe Fringe Division into the Red universe version. When exactly did the Blue universe get the Red Universe's FD Headquarters? They are in different buildings but the offices now look the same.
So why does he suddenly have an army rank? Actually, one of the things that I've noticed is that they've slowly converted the Blue universe Fringe Division into the Red universe version. When exactly did the Blue universe get the Red Universe's FD Headquarters? They are in different buildings but the offices now look the same.
Actually, if you go back to the pilot and Season 1, Broyles had the rank of colonel before he was involved with the FBI and formed Fringe Division. It's just that in the Blue-verse, he preferred to go by 'Agent Broyles' rather than his rank.
So his promotion to General is in keeping with the original concept from the original timeline.
True enough, but equally true is the fact that they wrote themselves into a box the moment that they had Peter wink out of existence in the Season 3 finale.
You're right, it'll never make sense, but it still bugs me nonetheless.
Sorry Pal but your being way to nice.
These got to be some of the worst writers of a show that ive watched.
These writers wrote 3 seasons worth of Fringe then realize they have no idea where the show was going and ran out of ideas so they just say, hey lets just throw those 3 seasons in the dumpster and have a season 4 that has no continuity with prior seasons and do any story they want.
Honestly try watching this show from the start without coming online and reading up and trying to understand any of it.
I feel robbed and i want the real universe back, i want to see how they deal with Fauxlivia having Peters baby, Seeing Walter dealing with owning Massive Dynamic and figuring how Sam Weiss really fit into this. I really feel these writers just made this shit up as they went along.
Well I've complained about this stuff repeatedly over the last few years including last week's episode. But honestly I never expected anything less--I've just come to know that these mythology-laden series can never be done well--all the writers know how to do is spin a multitude of intriguing mysteries then either ignore them or come up with a lame payoff after years of anticipation by the audience. Look at how ENT botched the Temporal Cold War(Who was Future Guy, why start a Klingon civil war, why seemingly save the ENT), Moore
BSG(the Opera House vision, the "angels", Cylon procreation, "God"), LOST worst offender because the writers swore up and down they learned from other shows mistakes(Why is Walt special, Alvar Hanso, Dharma, the vaccinations, the smoke monster, the cabin, and on and on and on), The X-Files Alien Mythology was clearly twisted up into something new every year with more and more new stuff just piled on.
That's why I'm so over mythologies--I much prefer a show to cut out the games and craft season long arcs that introduce a *handful* not a million mysteries and develop the arc over the season and are forced to provide satisfying payoffs and answers by the end of ep 22. I think it is a big mistake to carry over mysteries from one season to the next and even worse across the entire series--all it does is frustrate the audience and make the writers lazy by letting them procrastinate with coming with answers.
I actually gave up on the show last season and hadn't watched it until earlier this spring simply because there just wasn't anything else on. In fact I get more entertainment from picking the show apart than I do from the episodes themselves.
Thats why I have a self-imposed boycott on all LOST-influenced shows--Once Upon a Time, next season's The Last Resort and Revolution.
Interviews with the producers on the season 4 finale and hints on what's coming up in season 5:
LA Times
Entertainment Weekly
TV Line
TV Guide
LA Times
Entertainment Weekly
TV Line
TV Guide
I think she was just saying to him that she'd LIKE to have children then.
Interesting interviews, although they don't tell us much beyond what we already know. I'm just hoping that we get both Nimoy and Henry Ian Cusick back for a few eps next year.
This show has and continues to be a fucking mess when it tries to push forward or provide closure to its varying "arcs". The requisite technobabble by Nina attempting to explain how this destruction of the universes was to take place was especially fatuous.
And, of course, cue the rather predictable pregnant mom trope for the last season as if this show needed to be bogged down by further bland plotlines. Not to mention it has curious parallels to how X-Files ended, in a rather ignominious fashion might I add.
-Jamman
Red heads, fiery and hot. Pretty much the only saving grace of this episode.
-Jamman
Late to the party, but will say "excellent". Happy to see it back next year. 
Alex?
Alex?
Hmmm - "Average" for me.
Sure, there were some good scenes, like the unexpected (but logical) death of Olivia. But...
My main problems:
- Bell as a wacky crazy villain
- Olivia killed (all good and dramatic), but then that is undone without any lasting impact (no injury, no memory loss, no loss of abilities) - this makes it a cheap trick
- Olivia "Deus ex Machina" Dunham - her abilities allow her to whatever the plot demands
- David Robert Jones (the best villain of the show) killed of as a lame sidekick
This two-parter had all the hallmarks of a series finale. But not in a good way. A series finale in the sense of "lets go all out and throw crap at the wall and see what sticks".
I'm afraid the last few episodes have killed off almost all my love for "Fringe". I'll watch the next season opener, and see... But I'm not optimistic.
Sure, there were some good scenes, like the unexpected (but logical) death of Olivia. But...
My main problems:
- Bell as a wacky crazy villain
- Olivia killed (all good and dramatic), but then that is undone without any lasting impact (no injury, no memory loss, no loss of abilities) - this makes it a cheap trick
- Olivia "Deus ex Machina" Dunham - her abilities allow her to whatever the plot demands
- David Robert Jones (the best villain of the show) killed of as a lame sidekick
This two-parter had all the hallmarks of a series finale. But not in a good way. A series finale in the sense of "lets go all out and throw crap at the wall and see what sticks".
I'm afraid the last few episodes have killed off almost all my love for "Fringe". I'll watch the next season opener, and see... But I'm not optimistic.
Lost was especially heavy on thewithout payoff mixed in with its
Yup, that's pretty much the way I see it as well. We watched Lost on DVD straight through S1 to the very beginning of S6, where we just kinda gave up on it. It was going nowhere and had become completely incoherent by that point.
