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Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoilers)

Rate/Grade 'Back to Where You've Never Been'

  • Excellent - Fringe at it's very best

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Very Good

    Votes: 9 37.5%

  • Good

    Votes: 7 29.2%

  • Average

    Votes: 1 4.2%

  • Bad

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Really Bad

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Terrible Beyond Words

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    24
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

NCC1701MF said:
propita said:
Let me count the universes, and someone correct me:

Alternate, where Peter was born and kidnapped from, where Walternate lives and where Fauxlivia had her kid, and where the White House was destroyed on 9/11 instead of the the WTC.

"Ours," where kidnapped Peter was raised, fell in love with Olivia and fathered a kid with Fauxlivia, where the WTC was destroyed on 9/11.

This new universe of "ours," where kidnapped Peter was brought to but created when he wasn't saved by the Observer, but where Peter currently is.

Is this it? Because Peter never grew up in Walternate's anyway, did that one get changed? Or by ours changing, did theirs change to create a fourth, or are there only the three listed above?
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I'm pretty sure that we have a 4th universe. The one we've been seeing this season where Broyles is alive and Walternate knows that his Peter died in, as you described, the new universe of "ours". Note the title of this episode.

BTW, the glyphs for this episode spelled out JONES. The episode before the break glyph was DAVID. This and the coming attractions confirm his return.
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Yeah, I realized watching this that there was a 4th--Walternate’s alternate. The opera house was not ambered. I believe it got ambered after Belly helped get everyone out to “our” universe.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

The overall plot is rather tiresome to contemplate. But this episode was pretty good, because we saw Peter in context with his family, especially his mother. And every episode with less Olivia works better. The ending with it turning out to be all about Olivia promises bad things so far as the long term story goes.

I am a little disappointed in Peter for being so reluctant to help against the shapeshifters. Not content with making him stupid they're going to make him heartless? I expect they'll forget this though.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

Anyone getting annoyed by watching all of these events happen in a pair of alternate universes? It's the story equivalent of a dream. When Peter gets back to his original pair of universes basically none of this will have happened. It's the George Bailey effect.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

^


I'm not annoyed with it as much as I'm having a hard time investing any real interest in it, as I hope that it's merely a stop along the way, and that Peter is going to get back to 'his' set of dual-realities.

But I will say this: This new set of dual-realities goes a long ways towards reinforcing the actual theory of multi-world interpretation (MWI) without having to show a gazillion of them in order to prove that they exist. If we've now seen four differing realities, one of which is our own, then logically, it stands to reason that the multi-verse is a reality and that there are further differing existences, many of which may prove to be even more different than the four we've seen.

I'll even go as far to say that the multi-verse, as depicted in Fringe, may be comprised of 'tiers', each tier comprised of a dual-reality that are connected by soft spots, and bare similarities to each other. But the further away from a certain 'tier' that one gets, the more pronounced are the differences in each set of dual-realities.

That's my .02 worth, for what it's worth. Bottom line: I just hope that we get back to 'our' set of dual-realities before the finale. I don't want to spent the entire season on this new tier.

:bolian:
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

Noticed a few differences in the Olivia-Observer scene. She says once thing, but he's saying something slightly different. I wonder if it was intentional.

Olivia: How are you...
Observer: How did you...

Olivia: Stop doing it.
Observer: Stop doing that.

Olivia: Who the hell are you?
Observer: Who...are you?
It sounds like a pause or skip in the Observer's speech, or he omitted the words.

Probably meaningless. I mean, it's not like it's Doctor Who's synchronous speech.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

^


I haven't deleted the ep from our DVR yet, so I'll have to watch that final scene again. I honestly thought they were saying the exact same thing.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

So did I. I'll have to watch that scene again, too. Great catch, propita.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

I'll have to agree with the above posters. I think I liked Season 3 more than this current one although John Noble is a great actor.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

Hey Gang. Sorry I've not chimed in or voted, but we have some company visiting this weekend and I've not watched the episode yet. Going to try to see it before today's football fest starts. Voting and comments later today.

Q2

* Edited to add thoughts after viewing*

My first impression is that that was a very strong episode. Fringe this season has been off it's make as compared to season 3. This episode felt like this season is returning to form. So, that being said:

A) Excellent performances made up for a somewhat plodding story.

B) Things actually happened to move the story along. Most of this season has felt like filler, especially since Peter's return.

C) Liked seeing the alternate universe, especially Walternate and Ma Bishop. FauxLivia was fun too.

D) How in the name of hell has Noble not won an Emmy for his performances yet?

Anyway, really enjoyed the episode and I'm really glad new Fringe is back.

Q2 (again)
 
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Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

There was no hidden word in that episode...
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

Procutus said:
^


I'm not annoyed with it as much as I'm having a hard time investing any real interest in it, as I hope that it's merely a stop along the way, and that Peter is going to get back to 'his' set of dual-realities.

But I will say this: This new set of dual-realities goes a long ways towards reinforcing the actual theory of multi-world interpretation (MWI) without having to show a gazillion of them in order to prove that they exist. If we've now seen four differing realities, one of which is our own, then logically, it stands to reason that the multi-verse is a reality and that there are further differing existences, many of which may prove to be even more different than the four we've seen.

I'll even go as far to say that the multi-verse, as depicted in Fringe, may be comprised of 'tiers', each tier comprised of a dual-reality that are connected by soft spots, and bare similarities to each other. But the further away from a certain 'tier' that one gets, the more pronounced are the differences in each set of dual-realities.

That's my .02 worth, for what it's worth. Bottom line: I just hope that we get back to 'our' set of dual-realities before the finale. I don't want to spent the entire season on this new tier.

:bolian:
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The problem is that these two realities are the same ones we saw from previous seasons. They've simply changed due to what amounts to time travel. We actually saw them change real-time; there was no shifting to another universe when Peter disappeared.

Peter's the one who erroneously thinks he's in yet another set of universes.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

^Or it's been retconned to be another set.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

For the red and blue universes, if there was never a Peter (or at least, never a Peter who survived childhood,) it is not certain exactly what caused the conflict between two universes. Walternate has no hope of getting his son back, nor does he have a Peter to operate the machine that might save his universe at the expense of "our" universe. Nor do Walter and Bell have any reason to carry out cortexiphan trials to create supersoldiers to fight the invaders coming to get Peter. If these two new universes are supposed to somehow be the product of the time paradox created when Peter was excised from their histories, they make no sense. The problem isn't solved by an Olivia who doesn't have cortexiphan powers, because the cortexiphan trials are a major part of why Walter had his brain stirred by Bell, which means there's no reason for crazy Walter. (And the rest seems to have something to do with temptations to take Peter back, but the motivations for the action are frequently very muddy, i.e., arbitrary, so I suppose that could be wrong.)

This is particularly true in the sense a Peter existed in both these two new universes. The last season finale did actually say that Peter never existed, after all. Further, the Peter that died in the new versions was not edited out by the machine, but died because the Observer did not save him from drowning, which means the difference had nothing to do with the machine at all.

Peter can be forgiven for thinking he's in two new universes because these have nothing to do with the machine or his use of the machine to save the universes. And we cannot really think that these are just the two universes after Peter never was, because plainly Peter was, at least for a little while. The continuing story line makes no sense. They don't make any sense even if you assume that the picture frame of the TV set and air dates of episodes and order of commercials provides an absolute time to order events in paradoxes.

John Noble doesn't get nominations because, despite a certain amount of praise from the usual suspects, the show as a whole isn't very good, and this keeps his peers from noticing how good he is.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

For the red and blue universes, if there was never a Peter (or at least, never a Peter who survived childhood,) it is not certain exactly what caused the conflict between two universes
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The inital breach on the lake all those years ago began the damage so thats the catalyst for the conflict.
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

now that i've watched this episode, i'm definitely sure on the 3rd (or 4th) universe getting involved...

we've got Blue (original), Red (evil / twisted), Yellow (blue without Peter)... so thinking this new universe where the new shapeshifters are coming from is something else... i'll go with Green... and since there isn't the original prelude of Walter stealing baby Peter from Walternate, it's a good guess that they're after something else the two (Red and Yellow) universes have that they don't...

My theory anyway

M
 
Re: Fringe 4x08 - "Back to Where You've Never Been" (Discussion, Spoil

A JJ Abrams show that makes no sense? Say it isn't true! :lol:
 
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