Friday's Child Klingon scout ship
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The Romulans only attack using three ships anywhere in the series! In BOT they attack undetected by the bases along the perimeter of the Neutral Zone, in TDY they attack once the Enterprise crosses the NZ and in TEI! But where were they in TWTE??
JB
It was the Romulan holy week of Romukah, the first week of the hold month of Romadan. The Romulans were too busy to be patrolling.
Yeah that's a good one! I like it! Do we know anything about Romulan religons and Vulcans for that matter from the later shows? 
JB
JB
Well, Vulcans worship Logic, and ENT gives the specific sects or religions they are split into for doing so. Romulans are probably expected to worship the state, much like Romans, but parallel other targets of worship (again as with Romans) are not exactly ruled out.
Romulans operate Klingon ships, but they are not indicated to be allies or vassals; common operating procedure would be unlikely beyond that dictated by the technical specs, regardless of whether they are buyers or thieves of said ships. Having to fly three ships against a Constitution would be a technical spec, though.
Timo Saloniemi
Romulans operate Klingon ships, but they are not indicated to be allies or vassals; common operating procedure would be unlikely beyond that dictated by the technical specs, regardless of whether they are buyers or thieves of said ships. Having to fly three ships against a Constitution would be a technical spec, though.
Timo Saloniemi
Real world reasons is they were avoiding using any designs created after 1969. The intent was to keep with the aesthetic of the day. TOS-R was carried out with the mindset of "this is what it would have looked like if they had this technology then." They did create a couple of new designs (Mudd's ship, the Medusan Ship), but they weren't going to pull in designs from other eras.
Plus, I'm not sure how that would have worked from a credits/rights point of view.
They could have created a 23rd Century TOS era, 1960s style BoP. Although I still don't have a problem imagining it was some other scout like a Klingon E4 or F5 class. They look similar enough to what was on TOS-R onscreen
https://www.starfleetstore.com/images/sfklingone4_1.jpg
https://www.starfleetstore.com/images/0306-Klingon Frigate Squadron-L.jpg
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Kawaii!
The adorable baby ship is just the smallest possible step away from the D7 likeness; something much more radically different would also work for TOS-R "Friday's Child". Not for the TOS-R "Errand of Mercy" teaser fight, though, as a full D7 is rather unfortunately seen in detail...
Timo Saloniemi
What?
- Antares (based on 1973 TAS design)
- Mudd's ship / Aurora (variations on same CG model)
- Gorn ship
- Tholian ship (totally redesigned)
- Medusan ship
- Space station (Starbase 6? where they get M5)
- Orion ship ("Babel")
- Eymorg ship ("Spock's Brain")
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I thought they got M5 on a Space Station (it may have only looked like Starbase 6...or was that K7?)
I typed "Space station". You quoted "Space station". What the are you confused about? I saw the remastered station was labeled Starbase 6 someplace. Is that it?
I was commenting on that the original TOS reused the K7 Space Station but the Station was too distant to read any labels. The TOS-R changed the K7 out for a CGI station. Putting a Starbase 6 label on the new CGI was a horrible retcon and I dismiss it vehemently. The script referred to it as "space station" seven times, and a Starbase zero times. I also prefer the idea that Starbases are planet based, with orbital maintenance and repair facilities. Stupid retcon. 
Some of the new shots didn't need doing! An update is really for things that need to be bettered but not all the effects were that poor! Elaan's Klingon Ship, The Amoeba from Immunity Syndrome and The Tholian Ship were all perfect how they originally were! 
JB
JB
Hmh? It seems they did avoid designs introduced after TOS/TAS - by other sources. Adding their own was a different thing altogether, and apparently they thought they would be doing it in the spirit of the sixties show or something, in contrast with an eighties take (such as in the TOS movies or TNG).
Whether that worked... Well, Mudd's ship and its various reuses were pretty much what we might have expected of the TOS modelmakers (had they been given the time and the funds), as was Masao's space station. The rest, ah, not so much.
As for "Starbase 6", fortunately this signage can't really be read in the actual episode, not on a screen that fits inside a mortal's living room at any rate. Although perhaps the space station was one of Starbase 6's many assets? Along with hordes of shuttlecraft and whatnot also sporting this signage, that is.
Timo Saloniemi
I don't think that was what @Shawnster was trying to say. He meant that the people in charge of TOS-R didn't want to use designs from the TOS movies onward for ships that were meant for the TOS era (i.e. they didn't want to show the STIII BoP as the scout ship in "Friday's Child" because it didn't match the TOS design aesthetic.)
Maybe that's what he meant but it sure isn't what he typed!
I was commenting on that the original TOS reused the K7 Space Station but the Station was too distant to read any labels. The TOS-R changed the K7 out for a CGI station. Putting a Starbase 6 label on the new CGI was a horrible retcon and I dismiss it vehemently. The script referred to it as "space station" seven times, and a Starbase zero times. I also prefer the idea that Starbases are planet based, with orbital maintenance and repair facilities. Stupid retcon.
Interesting. I never minded the thought of a sufficiently sized deep space installation as a "starbase" but this replacement for K7 is clearly too small. I know it's not based on any on screen dialogue but a "Starbase" should be big and powerful enough to be the HQ for a whole section of the Federation. Now, how big is that, how many? Idk, but that ain't it.
Well, the other starbases in TOS were even smaller. That is, their space stations were of zero size!
The reasons for choosing this exact size for TOS-R are well documented: the station was not to dwarf the starships, so that the latter would visually stand out, and furthermore so that the starships would not have to compete with anything else as the visually most important part of Starfleet and the Federation. The smaller, the better, as long as 400 people could be plausibly offloaded there.
The "original" size of this design was indeed a floating city in space, as in Masao's initial art and the adaptation for the Vanguard series of novels. Here it's supposed to be but a convenient pier for the two relevant ships.
We only ever saw one TOS starbase with our own eyes, and it was a surface installation. Is there a planet anywhere near the scene of "Ultimate Computer"? Were there space stations like this near Starbase 11 of "Court Martial" and "Menagerie" fame? Most probably yes, for both. But since neither TOS nor TOS-R actually shows us anything, there's no real telling.
(In terms of visuals mattering, the smallest starbase on screen would be SB47 in TNG "Parallels", identical to the communications relay of "Aquiel". The latter had a crew of two...)
Timo Saloniemi
The reasons for choosing this exact size for TOS-R are well documented: the station was not to dwarf the starships, so that the latter would visually stand out, and furthermore so that the starships would not have to compete with anything else as the visually most important part of Starfleet and the Federation. The smaller, the better, as long as 400 people could be plausibly offloaded there.
The "original" size of this design was indeed a floating city in space, as in Masao's initial art and the adaptation for the Vanguard series of novels. Here it's supposed to be but a convenient pier for the two relevant ships.
We only ever saw one TOS starbase with our own eyes, and it was a surface installation. Is there a planet anywhere near the scene of "Ultimate Computer"? Were there space stations like this near Starbase 11 of "Court Martial" and "Menagerie" fame? Most probably yes, for both. But since neither TOS nor TOS-R actually shows us anything, there's no real telling.
(In terms of visuals mattering, the smallest starbase on screen would be SB47 in TNG "Parallels", identical to the communications relay of "Aquiel". The latter had a crew of two...)
Timo Saloniemi
And from the end of that same paragraph you quoted: They did create a couple of new designs (Mudd's ship, the Medusan Ship), but they weren't going to pull in designs from other eras.
I did acknowledge other designs. Yes, the Antares design was 1970s, but TAS was still basically TOS designs. The fact remains none of the above list you shared pulled any designs from TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, or the movies.