French lawmakers Approve Full Veil Ban

[Quantum_Penguin]

The only rationale I could see for banning a piece of clothing this specifically is if it interferes with the enforcement of laws. For example, some States ban wearing masks in public (with the exception of children) because it makes it harder for the police to identify people from afar.

Instead the legislature itself is basically admitting that they are doing this for the sake of "integration", making this more about a particular group's political agenda rather than an urgent matter of the state. On these grounds I believe the ban should be overturned.

 

[Stardate]

I suport the ban espeically when it covers the face the so called burqa dress. Also it is about time we stop this poltical correctness. We all know why muslim men have their wives covered in the veil. It is control simple as that and it is wrong. Why are the women wearing the veil and the men are not. I cant belive people here are against this ban. It is a good news.

 

[T'Bonz]

Why are the women wearing the veil and the men are not.

Because the men are afraid that someone else will have sex with their women and that men can't control their sexual impulses upon seeing a female. The blame, of course, goes to the female; who is weak, promiscuous if not thoroughly contained/controlled, or apt to "entice" men who are just going about their business.

It's disgusting to me as a woman. Women are paying because men can't control their own sexual impulses and/or are afraid that OTHER men can't control their sexual impulses around a woman.

It's insulting to most men too, you know, the majority who are perfectly capable of controlling themselves without having to throw a slipcover over their women.

 

[Hermiod]

^Pretty much nails why I hate the things. It's insulting to suggest that I would not be able to control myself around an unveiled woman, especially in a country where almost every other woman I see isn't wearing one.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Nevertheless, it's never acceptable to take away people's Rights or religious freedom. Plus, it's idiotic to for them to think they can fight oppression with oppression.

 

[clint g]

Nevertheless, it's never acceptable to take away people's Rights or religious freedom. Plus, it's idiotic to for them to think they can fight oppression with oppression.

Especially when you consider that there are women who wear it willingly.

 

[Shaytan]

Nevertheless, it's never acceptable to take away people's Rights or religious freedom. Plus, it's idiotic to for them to think they can fight oppression with oppression.

Especially when you consider that there are women who wear it willingly.

It's wrong, they wear it "willingly" only because of family pressure.
"If you don't wear the veil, you're not part of the family anymore". It's a strange conception of the word "willingly".

 

[Kestra]

This one's difficult for me. I hate the things and part of me loves the idea of them being banned. On the other hand I do believe in freedom including clothing, unless it poses a security risk. The choice to wear them isn't one I support, but I suppose I support them having that choice in the first place.

 

[Docbrown777]

It should be the government's job to say "you don't have to wear a Burka."

It should not be the government's job to say, "You aren't allowed to wear a Burka."

What's wrong is a country making it the law that someone must be covered up. A law such as that is just as wrong as a country passing a law saying "you can't be covered up."

If your problem is the belief that all these women are forced into this by oppressive husbands then I ague that is no different then a western society controlling husband who tells his wife she isn't allowed to do certain things, has to have sex with him tonight and is possibly physically abusive. If you're in a bad relationship then you're in a bad relationship.

Many Muslim women are fine with living in that culture and I'm sure some would like a change. If they live in a western country then they have an opportunity to change. It can be hard and they would lose friends but it is there for those that want out. For those that want to continue to live that life they should not be forced to change.

It's like a foreign diplomat for the Soviet Union living in the US. Ok, you're in the US. If you want to leave your past society and culture behind you can walk into a police station and demand asylum. If not then that's fine too. It's hard and you're leaving a lot of people behind but the oppertunity is there if you want it.

If that is your problem then it is valid but you cannot claim that some woman is horribly oppressed just cause she wears clothing that covers almost all of her body. It's a different culture where the majority sees it as the norm and don't have a problem with it.

 

[clint g]

Nevertheless, it's never acceptable to take away people's Rights or religious freedom. Plus, it's idiotic to for them to think they can fight oppression with oppression.

Especially when you consider that there are women who wear it willingly.

It's wrong, they wear it "willingly" only because of family pressure.
"If you don't wear the veil, you're not part of the family anymore". It's a strange conception of the word "willingly".

And yet, you think its okay to force people to take an action they wish not to take. Seems like you have alot in common with these "families".

 

[Small White Car]

I suport the ban espeically when it covers the face the so called burqa dress. Also it is about time we stop this poltical correctness. We all know why muslim men have their wives covered in the veil. It is control simple as that and it is wrong. Why are the women wearing the veil and the men are not. I cant belive people here are against this ban. It is a good news.

This is the exact same reason women aren't allowed to go topless on most US beaches.

Are you in favor of mandatory topless beaches? (And not optional, mind you. Mandatory. You MUST go topless to visit any beach.)

 

[Hermiod]

Nevertheless, it's never acceptable to take away people's Rights or religious freedom. Plus, it's idiotic to for them to think they can fight oppression with oppression.

Aren't smokers oppressed by anti-smoking laws ? Aren't gun nuts oppressed by gun control laws ?

 

[WillsBabe]

Also NSW in australia are thinknig of taking the same action if it is voted in.

I read this to mean that if France votes in their proposition, NSW will follow. Does Australian legislation often take its cues from the French?

 

[RJDiogenes]

Nevertheless, it's never acceptable to take away people's Rights or religious freedom. Plus, it's idiotic to for them to think they can fight oppression with oppression.

Especially when you consider that there are women who wear it willingly.

It's wrong, they wear it "willingly" only because of family pressure.
"If you don't wear the veil, you're not part of the family anymore". It's a strange conception of the word "willingly".

A lot of people do things they don't want to do because of family pressure. It's not the government's job to police that. And that's not the purpose of this law.

Are you in favor of mandatory topless beaches? (And not optional, mind you. Mandatory. You MUST go topless to visit any beach.)

Yes.

Nevertheless, it's never acceptable to take away people's Rights or religious freedom. Plus, it's idiotic to for them to think they can fight oppression with oppression.

Aren't smokers oppressed by anti-smoking laws ? Aren't gun nuts oppressed by gun control laws ?

No. These laws protect public health and public safety, respectively. People are free to smoke in their homes and other designated places, and gun nuts are free to shoot things up if properly licensed and in the proper places.

 

[Shaytan]

And yet, you think its okay to force people to take an action they wish not to take. Seems like you have alot in common with these "families".

I 'm not interested in protecting religious stupidity, sorry.
I have already said what I have to say on the topic "somewhere else". You culturally can't understand French secularism like the majority of north Americans but, it works for us.

 

[clint g]

And yet, you think its okay to force people to take an action they wish not to take. Seems like you have alot in common with these "families".

I 'm not interested in protecting religious stupidity, sorry.
I have already said what I have to say on the topic "somewhere else". You culturally can't understand French secularism like the majority of north Americans but, it works for us.

In some cultures female circumcision is okay. In some cultures its okay to stone a woman to death for adultery. Doesn't mean I can't call it out for being wrong, and considering how many times Europeans in this very forum have called out America and American's in regards to things they disagree with (health care, gun ownership, gay rights) I think its perfectly legit for me to criticize a European country for legalizing prejudice. Also, it apparently doesn't work for all of you since there is a segment of your population that isn't happy with this decision. Just because they're Muslim doesn't mean they shouldn't have rights.

 

[Shaytan]

In some cultures female circumcision is okay. In some cultures its okay to stone a woman to death for adultery.

You're comparing apples with potatoes.

Just because they're Muslim doesn't mean they shouldn't have rights.

You really don't get it.

 

[clint g]

In some cultures female circumcision is okay. In some cultures its okay to stone a woman to death for adultery.

You're comparing apples with potatoes.

No, its really not.

Just because they're Muslim doesn't mean they shouldn't have rights.

You really don't get it.

Someone here isn't getting it. That person isn't me though.

 

[Shaytan]

Someone here isn't getting it. That person isn't me though.

I do understand that you're seeing the problem with your American eyes. Your cultural standard is not mine, it's not universal and no, you don't understand French secularism.

 

[clint g]

Someone here isn't getting it. That person isn't me though.

I do understand that you're seeing the problem with your American eyes. Your cultural standard is not mine, it's not universal and no, you don't understand French secularism.

But I do understand Islam, and I can notice a biased action when I see it. This is just as immoral as those who hate gay marriage or believe that interracial relationships are a sin. You are oppressing an entire group of people and you just don't give a shit, using the pathetic excuse of "well, our culture is just like that" to defend it.