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French lawmakers Approve Full Veil Ban

Angela 0077

Angela 0077

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http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/7579721/french-lawmakers-approve-full-veil-ban/

This was on the news today
I was wondering what you all think of this
Also NSW in australia are thinknig of taking the same action if it is voted in.
If a woman in France decides to wear her veil she will be fined 215 dollars
If a man forces his wife to wear the veil he will be fined 40,000 in france

I would really like your opinions on this so l hope you have a rwad of this.

Anyway if you are not sure what they are banning the type of veil is this
http://www.google.com.au/images?gfn...esult_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CC8QsAQwAA
 
I support the ban for a number of reasons. Among them are concerns about assimilation, enforced separation, and sexism.

So far as it may be relevant: I'm atheist, and have no particular dislike for Islam, except inasmuch as it belongs to the Abrahamic religions, which are all hindered by being born of the desert (though Christianity has developed some interesting mythology, separate from its theology).
 
I don't think it's a good idea. They should have the right to practice their religion as they see fit. There's nothing inherently dangerous about wearing veils.
 
Violation of Article 9, imho. The right to practice and observe your religion as you see fit is enshrined in the ECHR. I suspect France will make the point that the article contains point 2, which boils down to "in accordance with the law", although it's pretty cynical to make laws just to circumvent it when the clause is clearly intended to prevent actual crime being "permitted" for religious reasons.
 
I'm 100% against it. Why should the government tell people what religious clothing they can or cannot wear in public?

Should Hasidic Jews be banned from wearing their clothing? I could make a long list of religious garb and I would fail to even come close to understanding why a government should go out of its way to ban religious clothing.
 
Don't support it. What are they going to do, arrest anyone who wears a piece of cloth on their heads? :rolleyes:
 
This is absolutely ridiculous. A government has no business enforcing a dress code, especially for religious reasons. This sort of thing will not hasten assimilation, it will just breed resentment and slow assimilation.
 
It's a horrible practice that hurts women by regulating them to the periphery of their cultures.

But to outlaw it violates freedom of speech which (although not constitutionally guaranteed everywhere like it is here) I still believe in more than just about anything else.

So I wish they'd stop using veils, but I don't believe in allowing the government to be the ones to do it.

Furthermore, forcing them to stop is a horrible way to do it. The women who were raised with them would feel as uncomfortable without one as an American women would feel if she was forced to go topless at work. It's cruel and needless. I'd sure hope the next generation stops using them, but to force the current generation to just go cold-turkey is, frankly, really terrible.
 
RJDiogenes said:
This is absolutely ridiculous. A government has no business enforcing a dress code, especially for religious reasons. This sort of thing will not hasten assimilation, it will just breed resentment and slow assimilation.
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I totally agree. And what's more, it'll end up forcing the most religious ones, those who REALLY think the veil is god's commandment, to stay indoors from now on. How is that useful for integration into society? :cardie:
 
I'm having a difficult time understanding how this ban is any less oppressive and patronizing to women who want to be veiled -- the "we're saving you from your own culture" approach is really offensive.
 
Unfortunate business.

Depending on the specific wording of the law, I can see it being no more objectionable than any other law regulating public dress and (non-violent) behaviour, i.e. those requiring folks to wear clothes in public at all and refrain from orgies on the sidewalk. How objectionable such laws are is open to debate, of course. But there's certainly no groundswell of support for their abolition.
 
I fully support the ban. In France, and all modern societies.

This is a situation where religious extremism would like to use our laws against us.

A woman wearing a face veil is a woman in chains. Whether she willing accepts this bondage or not, others must stand up to help her.

It really is as simple as that.
 
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