News FOX selling out to Disney?

[UssGlenn]

The NY Times says Disney is not buying the 20th Century Fox lot in Hollywood, which means that they bought a movie studio that has no place to make movies and a TV studio with no place to air their tv shows. Though I am aware that for the time being the shows will continue to air on Fox similarly to how Gotham does, which is a Warner Brothers Show.

 

[Timby]

I can't wait for the estimates of how many people are going to lose their jobs because of this.

 

[dahj]

Now that Disney owns ALL the franchises, maybe other studios will finally focus on creating something new.

It's possible, right... right?

 

[kirk55555]

Yes, completely ignore all of the wide-reaching ramifications this has for the entertainment industry and focus solely upon a few more action figures being able to get smashed together on screen for a few hours.

I really son't care about what happens to the entertainment industry. I want good movies, and I also like the idea of an epic streaming service from Disney. No movies or media that I personally like will be negatively impacted by this. I'm not saying Disney having more power is necessarily a good thing, they've certainly done shitty things before as a company. But as a viewer/consumer Disney is already pretty much running around 75% of my favorite things when it comes to television and film. The only ramifications to the entertainment industry from my perspective is that more stuff I like will get made at a decent quality.

Besides that I can acknowledge that some parts of the deal aren't good but, for me, the positives far, fay outweigh the negatives. A company that has proven it can make great things buys out a studio that generally just puts out shit (and I'm not just talking about bad X-Men movies). I'll take less quantity for more quality any day of the week.

 

[JD]

If you haven't been paying attention to the company since, oh, the late '80s, Disney will exploit literally anything that it thinks will make money. A Home Alone Universe where Kevin and Bender are helping Itchy and Scratchy repel Xenomorphs and Predators in the X-Mansion on Pandora while Donald Duck tries to Die Hard his way in? If they think it'll generate cash, they'll fucking do it.

I want this, no joke.

The larger point is that it is not good for all of these IPs to be under the umbrella of one conglomerate. I mean, fuck, welcome to the world of Blade Runner.

From a business perspective it is annoying, but from a purely selfish fan perspective, I'm pretty happy with this deal. After seeing how Disney has handled things like Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm, I look forward to seeing what they do with their new franchises.

There is a tiny sliver of hope for those who don't want this to happen, according to IGN they haven't gone through the antitrust people yet, so there is always a slight chance they could stop the deal, which it says they already did with the AT&T/Time Warner deal.

 

[DigificWriter]

I really son't care about what happens to the entertainment industry.

Clearly.

I want good movies, and I also like the idea of an epic streaming service from Disney.

I think it's funny how you automatically assume that only Disney can "make good movies" and that Disney 'rebranding' Hulu is a good thing.

No movies or media that I personally like will be negatively impacted by this.

And you can say this with certainty because?

I'm not saying Disney having more power is necessarily a good thing, they've certainly done shitty things before as a company. But as a viewer/consumer Disney is already pretty much running around 75% of my favorite things when it comes to television and film. The only ramifications to the entertainment industry from my perspective is that more stuff I like will get made at a decent quality. Besides that I can acknowledge that some parts of the deal aren't good but, for me, the positives far, fay outweigh the negatives.

So you admit that this is all about you and what you want, everyone else be damned?

Thank you for proving my earlier point.

 

[Timby]

There is a tiny sliver of hope for those who don't want this to happen, according to IGN they haven't gone through the antitrust people yet, so there is always a slight chance they could stop the deal, which it says they already did with the AT&T/Time Warner deal.

AT&T / Time Warner is still being evaluated by regulators, the big holdup apparently being CNN.

In any event, I highly doubt Trump's Justice Department says no to Rupert Murdoch.

 

[Greg Cox]

So does this mean Disney now owns PLANET OF THE APES and THE X-FILES, too?

 

[JD]

EDIT: This is in regards to Greg Cox's question.
Yes.

 

[kirk55555]

Clearly.

I think it's funny how you automatically assume that only Disney can "make good movies" and that Disney 'rebranding' Hulu is a good thing.

Well, no other company is putting out movies I like on a regular basis. Also, if Disney rebrands Hulu maybe they'll stop being literally the shittest mainstream streaming service (seriously, only one screen at a time and ads on everything but the most the expensive version? Hulu isn't just bad compared to netflix, its bad compared to most streaming services). Even if they don't fix it, Disney has so much quality stuff that it would make even a streaming service with hulu's problems tolerable.

And you can say this with certainty because?

Because they have basically only done good things with franchises I like? I mean, Spider-Man Homecoming is shit, and the Marvel Netflix/TV shows desperately need new leadership, but besides that they basically just put out good stuff with their franchises. Hell, I wish they'd buy CBS so we could get higher quality Star Trek. Really, they don't own enough of the stuff I like. Outside of the few foreign things I like (like Doctor Who and various anime series), I'm pretty sure all the stuff I like that Disney doesn't own would be made just as good if not better with their involvement.

So you admit that this is all about you and what you want, everyone else be damned?

Thank you for proving my earlier point.

Yeah, surprisingly enough I think most people want movies/TV they enjoy, and don't really care if that means other people don't get shows they want. But, ignoring the super dramatic tone some people are going with in this thread, even if you don't like Disney stuff they aren't the only game in town, and the merger won't change that.

so yeah I want, say, X-Men in the MCU. If you want more of the same old stuff, I can understand but I don't really feel sympathy that you're not getting what you want. We're talking about TV/Films here, no one is a bad person for wanting stuff they like in these mediums to the exclusion of other stuff, if necessary.

Also, unrelated to this reply but something I just saw:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...=referral&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

"It [Deadpool] clearly has been and will be Marvel branded. But we think there might be an opportunity for a Marvel-R brand for something like Deadpool," said Iger. "As long as we let the audiences know what's coming, we think we can manage that fine."

Disney isn't stupid. Deadpool is popular as an R-rated brand. It makes money, and Disney likes money. Also, even if, say, the MCU netflix shows are run by different people then the MCU, disney still owns those shows and allows them to basically be r-rated. So, I think stuff like Deadpool will actually be fine, and a possibly Deadpool 3 could even have more great stuff to work with if it could use some MCU stuff (Deadpool meeting the modern, sarcastic version of Machine Man or any of Nextwave would be spectacular).

 

[DigificWriter]

^ I can't say what I want to in response to this because it's political, so I'm just walking away from this conversation.

 

[fireproof78]

even if you don't like Disney stuff they aren't the only game in town, and the merger won't change that.

The scary part is Disney trying to become the only game in down.

It's like when the Yankees just bought their way. They had the money to throw around and basically ensured their success. It was great for Yankees fans, but made for poor baseball.

 

[JD]

Kirk, that post is seriously terrifying. It really is a horrible for Disney to own two much of the entertainment industry, competition is a good thing. Having different companies with different people in charge brings in different perspectives, and a bigger variety of ideas.
Yeah, Disney has done a good job with the stuff they have, but that doesn't mean they should have everything.

 

[kirk55555]

The scary part is Disney trying to become the only game in down.

It's like when the Yankees just bought their way. They had the money to throw around and basically ensured their success. It was great for Yankees fans, but made for poor baseball.

I don't see how more good movies is going to be bad for viewers. At least viewers that like what Disney have been doing, and I'm one of them. Its not like hundreds of other movies a year won't be made. My personal demographic is PG to PG-13 genre stuff, and Disney has that kind of thing down to a science. For people that want more artsy/experimental stuff or things like Game of thrones, there are a huge amount of companies that do that, and honestly its not like FOX was making much of that anyway.

Kirk, that post is seriously terrifying. It really is a horrible for Disney to own two much of the entertainment industry, competition is a good thing. Having different companies with different people in charge brings in different perspectives, and a bigger variety of ideas.
Yeah, Disney has done a good job with the stuff they have, but that doesn't mean they should have everything.

Maybe not. but, I'm certainly not going to be anything but happy to have the X-Men back. In the end, I want the best people for the job to have the most stuff. Disney generally hires good people and produces great stuff. I want quality, not competition. FOX didn't get better by having competition, they actually got worse as more companies started making superhero movies.

Besides, Disney is really good at having good ideas. Every company puts out bad stuff sometimes, but their track record is very solid. I'd rather have more stuff under that roof then to split it up, get mostly shit but keep some vague hope that someone will put out something decent that Disney wouldn't have done. If FOX wasn't a shit TV/film company I'd feel different, but at this point they've tanked most of the the X-Men franchise along with properties like Alien. They don't do good work, and having competition isn't helping them. As long as Disney keeps putting out good stuff, and financially its a good idea to put out things people like so I'm sure they'll keep putting out good stuff, then I'm happy with them getting as many properties that I like as they possibly can.

 

[Timby]

There's literally going to be one fewer company producing and releasing content, in a market where one is experiencing significant financial issues (Sony) and another has been rumored to be for sale for more than a year (Paramount). I have yet to see a convincing argument why going from six to five studios, with one combined monster likely having ~50 percent of the US market share when 2017 receipts are totaled, is a good thing.

I mean, kirk, you seem to have no grasp of economics, here. If Disney releases 30 movies a year and Fox releases 30 movies a year, Disney buying Fox doesn't mean that the combined entity will release 60 or even 50 movies a year. It'll be closer to 30.

 

[JD]

I don't see how more good movies is going to be bad for viewers. At least viewers that like what Disney have been doing, and I'm one of them. Its not like hundreds of other movies a year won't be made. My personal demographic is PG to PG-13 genre stuff, and Disney has that kind of thing down to a science. For people that want more artsy/experimental stuff or things like Game of thrones, there are a huge amount of companies that do that, and honestly its not like FOX was making much of that anyway.



Maybe not. but, I'm certainly not going to be anything but happy to have the X-Men back. In the end, I want the best people for the job to have the most stuff. Disney generally hires good people and produces great stuff. I want quality, not competition. FOX didn't get better by having competition, they actually got worse as more companies started making superhero movies.

Besides, Disney is really good at having good ideas. Every company puts out bad stuff sometimes, but their track record is very solid. I'd rather have more stuff under that roof then to split it up, get mostly shit but keep some vague hope that someone will put out something decent that Disney wouldn't have done. If FOX wasn't a shit TV/film company I'd feel different, but at this point they've tanked most of the the X-Men franchise along with properties like Alien. They don't do good work, and having competition isn't helping them. As long as Disney keeps putting out good stuff, and financially its a good idea to put out things people like so I'm sure they'll keep putting out good stuff, then I'm happy with them getting as many properties that I like as they possibly can.

You're looking at this from a purely creative standpoint, and looking at it that way, I would agree with you, the problem is on the business side. Having one company controlling so much of one industry is bad for an industry. That's why we have anti-monopoly laws.
The thing you have to remember is that Hollywood is a business, and not just about the creativity and art.

 

[kirk55555]

I mean, kirk, you seem to have no grasp of economics, here. If Disney releases 30 movies a year and Fox releases 30 movies a year, Disney buying Fox doesn't mean that the combined entity will release 60 or even 50 movies a year. It'll be closer to 30.

That's fine with me. Quality over quantity. If FOX puts out 30 movies a year but only 2 or 3 are any good, who cares if you get less films? I'll take Disney getting more stuff to potentially make into great movies over hoping that FOX puts out a handful of things a year that aren't complete dumpster fires. If FOX wasn't such a crap company maybe I'd feel differently, but from my perspective they put out generally low quality stuff and the movies they make that I care about are usually especially bad in recent years.

You're looking at this from a purely creative standpoint, and looking at it that way, I would agree with you, the problem is on the business side. Having one company controlling so much of one industry is bad for an industry. That's why we have anti-monopoly laws.
The thing you have to remember is that Hollywood is a business, and not just about the creativity and art.

I get that. I acknowledge its a problem, but it all comes down to this: I only give a shit about Hollywood to the extent that it puts out stuff I like. Disney buying FOX means I will definitely be getting things that I'll really enjoy that were never going to happen if FOX didn't sell. There are problems with the deal, but in the end as a consumer/viewer it will be a positive thing.

Anti-monopoly laws don't make as much sense for entertainment. These aren't service providers like internet companies or things like that. Its movies. I don't really care what big company is getting my money when I pay to see a movie, I just want the movie to be good.

 

[Q2UnME]

In my mind, it's gonna depend a bit on how Disney restructures when the acquisition is complete. Will the Fox Movie and TV Studio's be a stand alone Disney division? Will Fox TV and ABC TV studio's be merged into one unit? Will 21st Century FOX remain a stand alone studio (like Touchstone, Disney, Lucas Film and Marvel) under the Disney umbrella? I guess we'll find out in 12 - 18 months.

The other thing I find really weird is that the remnants of FOX holding on to the bricks and mortar studio lot in Hollywood. You just sold off the film and TV business but you're hold on to the lot? Are thy just going to lease the space back to Disney and other production companies? Perhaps start another TV and Film studio(s) from scratch? Sell the property and buildings off to some other studio as a separate deal?

Weird ....

Q2

 

[Relayer1]

Considerations of Disney's size aside, I don't have to do business with Rupert Murdoch and family. That's fine by me.

 

[jbny67]

It's like when the Yankees just bought their way. They had the money to throw around and basically ensured their success. It was great for Yankees fans, but made for poor baseball.

Only someone who's not a Yankees fan and/or wasn't there in the 80's and early 90's would say that. There aren't enough roll eyes emoticons to properly respond to that comment.