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Fox Developing "Gotham" Young Jim Gordon Series

But I think we're all aware of the superhero drift problem. The drift is not always towards becoming an idealized demigod, but it is towards accumulation of power or a need to up the stakes with more and more powerful foes - the core of the superhero genre is and always will be battle. As Heller says "TV is about emotion and character, not stunts and special effects." Once you have the costumes, you have the fight scenes - it becomes a different sort of story.

But as you just conceded, superhero stories don't have to be about just stunts and effects. You're saying that that's a problem resulting from drift, not an inevitable and standard state for any story about a person in a superhero costume. Heller's comments suggests to me that he doesn't see that distinction -- that, like so many people out there, he only sees the stereotype and the negative caricature of what superhero fiction is and is unfairly using the bad examples to tar the entire genre.



They are as patient or impatient as every other network, in many cases they are even more patient. Neither Dollhouse or The Sarah Conner Chronicles deserved a second season looking at the ratings but they were both renewed and got another chance and they kept Fringe on the air for five seasons!
People really have to stop with this Fox is impatient stuff, it was never true.

Absolutely right. Not to mention that the executives running FOX now are totally different people from the ones who ran it when Firefly was on. It makes no sense to blame one set of people for their predecessors' decisions just because they work for the same company.

Sure, FOX did treat Almost Human similarly to Firefly in that it showed the episodes out of order, but that's two examples out of dozens and dozens. FOX has put more SF/fantasy shows on the air than just about any other TV network. Clearly it's willing to give genre shows a chance. But most shows of any type get cancelled young. That's just the nature of the industry.



I like Bruno Heller, but he's just talking out of his ass right now. His basically dissing Christian Bale with this shit. An Academy award winner. A man who is, without any exaggeration, one of the fines actors of his generation.

Maybe, but honestly I never much cared for his version of Bruce, and his version of Batman was pretty awful. I really found him the weak link in the Nolan movies' cast. Well, Katie Holmes was the weak link in the first, but Bale never really impressed me overall, not in that particular role, at least.

Perhaps Heller's grading on a curve, in the sense that a terrific performance from a 12- or 13-year-old actor is more impressive than a terrific performance from a veteran actor in his 30s.

Although it's certainly true that the producers of any show are going to say things like "This is the best cast I've ever worked with" or "Our actors are the best ever," because of course they want to get people to watch the show.
 
Okay, so Gordon and Bullock are the center of attention, Alfred and Bruce are second-most prominent but off to the side (with Selina up above them), then Fish Mooney and Cobblepot are third-largest, and Nygma and Ivy are in the background on the villains' side. Suggests a few things about the show's emphasis. And there's a black cat in the background below Selina, and a penguin poster above Cobblepot. No sign of any bats, though there's a searchlight in the background.
 
Okay, so Gordon and Bullock are the center of attention, Alfred and Bruce are second-most prominent but off to the side (with Selina up above them), then Fish Mooney and Cobblepot are third-largest, and Nygma and Ivy are in the background on the villains' side. Suggests a few things about the show's emphasis. And there's a black cat in the background below Selina, and a penguin poster above Cobblepot. No sign of any bats, though there's a searchlight in the background.

Vine growths on the building behind Ivy, who is also holding a rose, casino cards/marquee at the top of the buildings over Ivy/Nygma. The card showing is a face-card Joker. Question Mark on the wall behind Wayne/Alfred (another allusion to The Riddler.) There seems to be "something" in behind the grated window to Alfred/Bruce's left. It's face looking but studying it in largest view I can't make out what it is supposed to be.
 
Okay, so Gordon and Bullock are the center of attention, Alfred and Bruce are second-most prominent but off to the side (with Selina up above them), then Fish Mooney and Cobblepot are third-largest, and Nygma and Ivy are in the background on the villains' side. Suggests a few things about the show's emphasis. And there's a black cat in the background below Selina, and a penguin poster above Cobblepot. No sign of any bats, though there's a searchlight in the background.

Vine growths on the building behind Ivy, who is also holding a rose, casino cards/marquee at the top of the buildings over Ivy/Nygma. The card showing is a face-card Joker. Question Mark on the wall behind Wayne/Alfred (another allusion to The Riddler.) There seems to be "something" in behind the grated window to Alfred/Bruce's left. It's face looking but studying it in largest view I can't make out what it is supposed to be.

Bane?
 
I like Bruno Heller, but he's just talking out of his ass right now. His basically dissing Christian Bale with this shit. An Academy award winner. A man who is, without any exaggeration, one of the fines actors of his generation.

Bale is a phenomenal performer. Without a doubt my favorite actor. He's incredibly versatile.
 
Too dark, can't see a frakking thing.

You say Graffiti, and I think Anarky, but his dad, the Joker, is probably 8 like little Brucie.
 
Abin Sur?

The thing about Scott Free is that he is immortal and probably millions of years old, so even tis far back he's going to look almost 30.
 
Ivy's colour scheme actually reminds me of the Frank Gorshin Riddler, so it's appropriate that she's beside Nygma. Overall, a very cool image.
 
Cory Michael Stewart, Victoria Cartagena, and Andrew Stewart-Jones have been upped to regular cast members in the show, having initially been set as guest stars in the pilot. They play Edward Nygma, Renee Montoya, and Crispus Allen respectively.
 
Montoya and Allen as regulars? This may be somewhat similar to Gotham Central after all. (Except that was a series about how the Gotham PD operated in a world where Batman, his allies, and his enemies were already active.)
 
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