Demerzel said Day had gone bad because she was too busy (trying to hold the Empire together) to properly manage his upbringing.
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Demerzel said Day had gone bad because she was too busy (trying to hold the Empire together) to properly manage his upbringing.
The current Day is Cleon 17. The Day for most of the first season was Cleon 13. It’s an all-new set. The replacement Dawn after the season 1 finale (call him 14b) would’ve been the Dusk when the current Dusk (16) was Dawn.
I think it might be easier if they used the numbers more often.
Perhaps put in a very subtle clue like stitch a coded version of their imperial number into a visible part of their clothing using numerals other than our western Arabic ones.
List of numeral systems - Wikipedia
Anyway, it's a bit late. I think the Cleons are pretty much done for now.
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I loved how Terminus Hari put Cleon in his place and not in a very subtle way - "I do account for outliers, you're not one of them". The shock on Cleon's face when he's told that in the grand scheme of things he won't matter or is expected to fall was just priceless.
It seems like much of the VFX budget has been blown into this episode and it looked really awesome but what i missed is scale of conflict. We see Trantor ( and Empire in general) able to build massive structures, first an orbital lift and later massive rings around the planet yet that space battle had just two ships firing on each other and a half dozen fighters per side fighting it out - that was a little bit underwhelming ( especially when you think that this Empire fleet was carring Empire himself and to have such weak military capabilities is just inviting a surprise attack by anyone intent on killing him).
What i loved the most is the reveal of Demerzel's backstory and how the Cleon dynasty came to be, that was fascinating to see but i do wonder how they will proceed now that they destroyed Terminus. In that regard i wonder why adapt a classic novel series if you depart so much from the original material that it becomes a completely new story? Did they just want the names and places associated with it for marketing purposes?
Mind you i'm ok with it when i accepted the fact that the books seemed more like a stepping off point for the producers and not really an adaptation but i still would have loved if they followed the books broadly and just included Empire and the Cleons as something they expanded on.
It seems like much of the VFX budget has been blown into this episode and it looked really awesome but what i missed is scale of conflict. We see Trantor ( and Empire in general) able to build massive structures, first an orbital lift and later massive rings around the planet yet that space battle had just two ships firing on each other and a half dozen fighters per side fighting it out - that was a little bit underwhelming ( especially when you think that this Empire fleet was carring Empire himself and to have such weak military capabilities is just inviting a surprise attack by anyone intent on killing him).
What i loved the most is the reveal of Demerzel's backstory and how the Cleon dynasty came to be, that was fascinating to see but i do wonder how they will proceed now that they destroyed Terminus. In that regard i wonder why adapt a classic novel series if you depart so much from the original material that it becomes a completely new story? Did they just want the names and places associated with it for marketing purposes?
Mind you i'm ok with it when i accepted the fact that the books seemed more like a stepping off point for the producers and not really an adaptation but i still would have loved if they followed the books broadly and just included Empire and the Cleons as something they expanded on.
I'm half expecting Day's vision of Terminus being destroyed to be fictitious - much like the way that Tellem Bond could warp the reality of others - so that Empire will no longer worry about the Foundation.
The Foundation does get bombarded in Foundation and Empire, but it's by the Mule's forces and it's taken over rather than destroyed.
The Foundation does get bombarded in Foundation and Empire, but it's by the Mule's forces and it's taken over rather than destroyed.
I feel like there's certainly another shoe to drop with the destruction of Terminus. There are a lot of potential balls in play that could allow it to have been some kind of trick, illusion, or misdirection (much has been made of the Foundation being stage magicians this season), but I think the most critical thing is we never actually saw anyone die; we were only watching Poly when the crash happened, and even then, the camera cut away before the destruction consumed him.
The sort of wave that was heading towards Poly is generally a make peace with your make situation c.f Rogue One.
Terminus is a dead planet and now we’ll see the consequences for Cleon the 17th.
Dermerzel might take him down though I’m expect Rios to play a role, possibly a reverse of the novel.
The Foundation has developed personal shields (auras), so perhaps the planet or part of it has a larger one? It might have helped to equip the Invictus with one also, so perhaps not? Sermak wasn't wearing one either. Anyway, we should know for certain in a few days - at least I hope. Not sure what the season 2 cliff-hanger will be.
Uhm.. the planet looked pretty much torn apart in the last scene. Unless there's something going on like the largest misdirection ever in the history or something affecting the parties involved psychically to make them believe Terminus is destroyed it looks pretty much done.
Misdirection is a magician's stock and trade.
Caught up on the last few episodes.
I'm sure that can't be the actual destruction of Terminus, I'm thinking it's maybe the prime radiant showing Dermizel a potential future? And we'll start next week and none was real.
I had expected Rios to turn on Empire when his husband died, since his husband's life was the only reason he was helping him in the first place.
I'm sure that can't be the actual destruction of Terminus, I'm thinking it's maybe the prime radiant showing Dermizel a potential future? And we'll start next week and none was real.
I had expected Rios to turn on Empire when his husband died, since his husband's life was the only reason he was helping him in the first place.
Another possibility is that Hari purposely sacrificed Terminus and a tiny portion of the Foundation's fleet in order to make Empire think it had won. Though Hari disagreed, at least some of the Foundation seemed to think they had enough military power to go to war with Empire, and, unless those guys were complete idiots, it's hard to imagine that this represented all of the Foundation's space fleet.
Like Christmas 2023, I think that's coming.
Perhaps TPTB are trying to pull in The End of Eternity somehow?
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Wow, what a season finale!
Spoilers for now
Spoilers for now
They really cleaned house in this one. Hober, Salvor, current Cleon dynasty ( mostly), Bel Rios.
Where to begin? The most heartbreaking storyline was Demerzel being locked in servitude as well as being the puppetmaster at the same time, unable to break free of that cycle installed into her by the very people she actually is programmed to love. Dawn escaping ( for now) to start his own line was not unexpected but his talk with Demerzel was wonderful to see. Her decanting an all new generation of Empire at once and them coming out of the tubes like zombies or rather puppets and giving off the impression they're asking for orders is just a visual representation of the entire Empire dynamic. Though how she got her hand on the Radiant i don't know, i really am sometimes struggling to remember details from a week or weeks before.
Hober actually pulling off Hari's master plan was a nice twist, freeing the Spacers from Empire rule albeit at a very high price. It was obvious that Bel would refuse the command but i was not expecting a throwdown with Day, that was just icing on the cake and him using that tech to switch position ( still don't understand how that works) and getting the poetic image of Day hurtling towards destroyed Terminus was so satisfying.
Back with the Mentalics and Hari/Salvor/Gaal i wondered what happened with Telem and expected something to happen and i was right, she was able to transfer her consciousness and do damage but that was her last action. The Second Foundation was established and is now preparing for the coming fight against The Mule. As much as they reduced the cast in this finale they obviously want to keep Gaal around as an apparent thread connecting all the seasons, we will see if she survives The Mule and they find a new way for her to make a time jump.
While the planet Terminus is destroyed, so much for any theories we had, the actual important part, the people, were saved by Hari's Vault which turns out to be a spaceship too - that thing seems more like magic than anything and i wonder how this was constructed by an Empire already in decline. Now it's off to find a new home for Foundation and to prepare for The Mule on their end.
Really great season finale for what i considered a mostly convoluted and muddled season but the last few episodes turned that around quite well. Now i'm looking forward to season 3, whenever that will drop given the strike situation.
Where to begin? The most heartbreaking storyline was Demerzel being locked in servitude as well as being the puppetmaster at the same time, unable to break free of that cycle installed into her by the very people she actually is programmed to love. Dawn escaping ( for now) to start his own line was not unexpected but his talk with Demerzel was wonderful to see. Her decanting an all new generation of Empire at once and them coming out of the tubes like zombies or rather puppets and giving off the impression they're asking for orders is just a visual representation of the entire Empire dynamic. Though how she got her hand on the Radiant i don't know, i really am sometimes struggling to remember details from a week or weeks before.
Hober actually pulling off Hari's master plan was a nice twist, freeing the Spacers from Empire rule albeit at a very high price. It was obvious that Bel would refuse the command but i was not expecting a throwdown with Day, that was just icing on the cake and him using that tech to switch position ( still don't understand how that works) and getting the poetic image of Day hurtling towards destroyed Terminus was so satisfying.
Back with the Mentalics and Hari/Salvor/Gaal i wondered what happened with Telem and expected something to happen and i was right, she was able to transfer her consciousness and do damage but that was her last action. The Second Foundation was established and is now preparing for the coming fight against The Mule. As much as they reduced the cast in this finale they obviously want to keep Gaal around as an apparent thread connecting all the seasons, we will see if she survives The Mule and they find a new way for her to make a time jump.
While the planet Terminus is destroyed, so much for any theories we had, the actual important part, the people, were saved by Hari's Vault which turns out to be a spaceship too - that thing seems more like magic than anything and i wonder how this was constructed by an Empire already in decline. Now it's off to find a new home for Foundation and to prepare for The Mule on their end.
Really great season finale for what i considered a mostly convoluted and muddled season but the last few episodes turned that around quite well. Now i'm looking forward to season 3, whenever that will drop given the strike situation.
Gaal Dornick was a throwaway character that Asimov invented for a preamble story (The Psychohistorians) to tie a bunch of previously serialised stories from Astounding Science-Fiction magazine into the first Foundation novel. This adaptation has turned the character into the one that apparently binds the series together. I think that is fitting.
If people are watching and it attracts viewers to Apple+, I expect Foundation will continue. I'm not sure how much the strikes affect production outside North America. This season was a lot better than the last, which perhaps suffered from being made during the pandemic. It must be expensive to make, however. My favourite show on the service is Silo, which is literally a bottle show. I have yet to watch Invasion.
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Dr. Seldon gave it to Day during their meeting in the Vault. The last time we saw it, he was carrying it when he and Demerzel were walking to their shuttle to leave Terminus. He must've put it down or handed it to Demerzel for safekeeping off-screen, since neither of them were holding it when they got back to the Destiny.
Goyer's blog post on the episode includes an epilogue scene from the end of the episode that they couldn't film for budget reasons. It's the capper on Poly's arc, so it's worth reading.
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