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Forget Kirk's promotion; what about Pike?

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Everybody's had their attention focused on the likelihood or pros/cons of Kirk's rapid promotion from cadet to Captain (and for good reason). But have we missed the opportunity to nitpick Pike's promotion to Admiral?

On what apparently is his first outing on his brand new ship (his words), he willfully turns himself over as prisoner to Nero, who is able to extract some sort of security defense codes from him, rendering Earth's defenses (somehow) void and opening up Earth to potential destruction.

Only by the actions and extremely good luck of his subordinates (and someone who isn't even a commissioned officer yet) is Earth saved.

As reward for putting Earth is extreme danger of destruction... he's made Admiral!

So which is more unlikely - Kirk's promotion or Pike's?
 
Pike was Commander of the ship whose actions prevailed and saved the day. It was very obvious that this was not Pike's first command nor was he a newly minted Captain.
 
It was a promotion out of pity since Pike was confined to a wheelchair anyway :P

I'm just kidding, I love Pike. He deserved the promotion.
 
Frankly, if Pike hadn't made the executive decision to make a cadet into part of his crew (rather, if Pike hadn't convinced Kirk to join Starfleet in the first place), the Earth would've been doomed.

And it's not like Pike willingly gave up the codes under pressure, too. He resisted like all good Starfleet captains of the Enterprise. He was subjected to a creature whose sole purpose in life is to eat, sleep, shit and take over someone's brain.
 
From Pike's standpoint he was facing insurmountable odds and the only way to save his ship and stop the attack on Vulcan was to buy time to insert Kirk's paradrop team onto the rig by sacrificing himself to Nero. He had no way of knowing Nero's larger plans for Earth and the Federation, nor that he would have mind-control space scorpions (really though, everyone should have at least one. They're quite handy).
 
The fact that he willingly gave himself up to save his ship and crew would make him a hero in today's Somali Pirate world.
 
Well, if Janeway was made Admiral...

Exactly. Besides, it's established in the film that Pike has a lot of respect from others within Starfleet, the only reason he actually told any codes (if any) was because of the bug that was put down his throat, other than that he did nothing. Not only that, he was the one who came up with the plan to send down Kirk, Sulu and Olsen to try and sabotage the weapon before it could destroy Vulcan. Unfortunately he was too late and couldn't do it. Plus it was also established that (before Kirk), Pike was the fastest person to become Captain of a starship, and by the sounds of it, the Enterprise isn't his first command.
 
If there exists in the universe slugs who can take over people's brains (and cmon, Starfleet pretty much has to assume that), then the fault for Pike giving up the security codes was not his fault, but Starfleet's, for letting him know that info to begin with (why does a starship captain need to know that? aren't there other people whose job it is to run the defense grid? People who should stay on Earth under armed guard with plenty of anti-brain-slug protection?)

Starfleet security at work again...same guys I guess who decided not to bother with security cameras on every deck.
 
Hey, John McCain gave up American secrets with no brain slugs involved and some people wanted to make him president of the United States.

Pike was obviously highly respected (witness the way all the cadets snapped to when he came into the bar) and I'm sure the promotion was for lifetime meritorious service. I have no problem with it.
 
Just for the record, I don't really have a problem with it either; I just thought it would serve as a distraction from the usual Kirk Promotion threads :)
 
How do we know he was not up for promotion to Admiral before the crisis?? The Enterprise was pre-maturely launched he may have been filling in because they lacked an experieced Captain, who says Pike was suppose to be permenant Captain (forgeting Kirk for the moment) of the Enterprise. Also may there were a couple admirals in killed on the 7 destroyed ships creating an imediate opening.
 
Starfleet security at work again...same guys I guess who decided not to bother with security cameras on every deck.

I was impressed that they actually did have security cameras on every deck and alerts for unauthorized access to computer terminals in this movie.
 
How do we know he was not up for promotion to Admiral before the crisis?? The Enterprise was pre-maturely launched he may have been filling in because they lacked an experieced Captain, who says Pike was suppose to be permenant Captain (forgeting Kirk for the moment) of the Enterprise. Also may there were a couple admirals in killed on the 7 destroyed ships creating an imediate opening.

All good points. We don't really know about Pike's prior experience from the movie, so it could "be a long time coming" for all we know. We can assume that he did have "pull" in Starfleet for being able to get Kirk into the Academy that easily. I got the impression that he was not one to mess with...
 
We really don't have much to go on concerning Pike's earlier career, but if he had been made captain of a starship faster than anyone prior to Kirk, we have to assume that he is definitely not a recently promoted captain. I believe he told Kirk in the bar that he could command his own ship within eight years. Doing the math then Pike had a command around the time he was 26-28.

*Warning* Nitpicking and massive assumptions ahead

I realize that didn't make him a Captain (rank), but probably a Senior Lieutenant or a Lieutenant Commander. But it would be highly unlikely that he sped to a command position, only to hang there for for over a decade. Assume Pike's a LCDR by 28, a CDR by 32, and a Captain by 37.

Thus- he's been a highly regarded Captain about 10 years. He should have had at least one or two major commands prior to the Enterprise. We do know that he was on the Academy staff (where he had wriiten his dissertation and received a PhD?) when he shanghaied Kirk for Starfleet. Perhaps he had already been given command of the Enterprise, and one of his duties was to oversee her construction- and select her initial crew? Thus being at the shipyard with a bunch of cadets?

So. Captain of several years. A variety of positions successfully held. PhD in ?Something? Enough pull in Starfleet to speed up getting Kirk into the Academy. Gets an up close and real version of the Kobayashi Maru test and survives- along with Earth. Getting tortured on behalf of Earth and the Federation probably wins a few brownie points too. It looks like he was already on the path to Admiral, and events simply sped things up. Might as well promote him and put him on Starfleet Command staff while he recovers. I choose to believe the wheelchair is a temporary condition.;)

Last picking of nits in this post:
I bet Kirk was accepted to Starfleet Academy under a similiar rule that modern U.S. military academies have: children of Medal of Honor winners with the academic qualifications are accepted if they apply. Pike just accelerated the paperwork.

Any officer should be able to empty a bar of cadets. Captain Pike empties bars and causes all involved to run home for a change of underwear.:devil:

And whoever is in charge of Earth and the Federations defense net should be assigned to Delta Vega for the remainder of their careers. No way should anyone off planet have access to those codes. Even if every alien nastie enemy doesn't have their very own Handy Dandy Acme Make You Talk Eel (TM), there are too many ways to physically convince someone to give up information. Every IT guy I know has had tighter control over our data than the Federation has over its security information. They must be from the same gene pool that produced Cupcake.:vulcan:

I love nitpicking!
 
I felt his Admiral promotion was due to his injury.

He couldnt command a starship anymore as a Captain... so he takes a deskjob as Admiral.
 
I didn't get the impression that this was Pike's first command, just his first outing on the Enterprise, since she was new.

Why he skipped Commodore, however, is a good question. :mad: ;)
 
Didn't Kirk kind of promote himsef?

I vaguely remember the end of the film where Kirk was standing at the academy receiving something, was that the actual promotion?
 
I didn't get the impression that this was Pike's first command, just his first outing on the Enterprise, since she was new.

Why he skipped Commodore, however, is a good question. :mad: ;)

Oh, shall we go into the "How Starfleet ranks are like the U.S./U.K Navies, but not really, cuz the writers don't understand military ranks at all- which sets teeth on edge of all those who do." discussion. Which segues into the "Starfleet isn't really military, so those ranks aren't carved in stone" debacle?

No I shall not go for that one, truly I shan't.:beer:

sotto voce
Commodore sort of equals Rear Admiral = much better joke potential
 
Yeah, I was hoping to not go down that road. :p

(And truly, Rear Admiral is a horrible title, made worse IMO by the addition of the Lower Half. Personally, I blame Lionel Richie.)
 
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