Foreshadowing of Jacob Vs The Nemesis.

[DeadmeatDiggory]

Remember Ben and Locke's trip to Jacob's Cabin and the quick flash we got of Jacob in the chair?

When I originally saw this picture, I certain i was looking a image of a future Locke that was transported back in time somehow to become Jacob. But this was Season Three and the idea of time travel was just plain nutty. Thank God for Season Five.

With the second half of Season Five and now with the first two episodes of Season Six I've come to believe what we were seeing wasn't Jacob at all, but a foreshadowing of Jacob's Nemesis.

After Locke's death, the Nemesis takes on Locke's apperence, so could the above image of Jacob/Locke have been the Smoke Monter/Nemesis all along?

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

hmm tough call, if the ashes was still surrounding the cabin around that time, thus keeping smokies out, or in? Which isn't plausible since we've seen it around countless of times. That is to say they are 2 separate entities. Although he might have very well used astral projection to present himself and communicated with Locke to help him, we also know who else possesed that power and also told Locke that he saw him on the beach dead

I seriously need to rewatch all the seasons before the show ends

 

[ClayinCA]

Also, that isn't an image of Locke/Terry O'Quinn - the part of Jacob hadn't been cast when they needed that shot, so a crew member filled in.

 

[Hober Mallow]

We know from what Ilana said when she visited the cabin that Jacob hadn't been there in a long time and that someone else had been using it. The only problem with it being Smokey is that Smokey would have been trapped inside the ash circle. We know from the very first episode Smokey was out and causing problems for our survivors from day one. So how could it have been him?

We saw who was presumably Smokey as Christian in the cabin, but that was possibly after the ash circle was disturbed. Fan speculation is that Hurley kicked some of the ash when he ran away from the cabin in fear.

So if that wasn't Smokey in "Man Behind the Curtain," and it certainly wasn't Jacob, then who was it?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

BTW, three years is a long time, so it could have been Jacob in 2004 and someone else when Ilana visited.

 

[Hober Mallow]

BTW, three years is a long time, so it could have been Jacob in 2004 and someone else when Ilana visited.

But we saw Christian/Smokey in the cabin in 2004. So Jacob probably wasn't there then either.

 

[Mallet]

That's assuming Smokie and the MIB are one and the same. If smokie was out wondering the island and the MIB was stuck in the cabin then it would make sense.

I know it currently seems that Smokie and the MIB are the same being, but what if the MIB only "takes control" of smokie when he needs to, and the rest of the time smokie just wanders about killing who it likes?

This would make some sense, since Ben was able to call smokie the first time he wanted to (and I believe when the ash ring was still intact), but not later (when he wanted to be judged by smokie) and after the ash circle had been broken. So if the first time he did it smokie was "independent" and came when he called, but the second time the MIB was in control of Smokie and didn't come when Ben called.

 

[Starbreaker]

I think there's a third entity on the island... could explain some of this craziness with the cabin and the ash.

 

[propita]

What if Ben was totally used by Jacob? Ben believed he was serving Jacob loyally but this service actually included "serving" MiB--being an unwitting mole? Ben knew of the cabin but had never seen Jacob, Jacob must've had a reason for that--hadn't Widmore met Jacob when Widmore was leader of the Others? Jacob "needed" to die at that particular point because it was just one step in his plan--the old "If you strike me down..." bit--so he spent years to get Ben to the point where Ben would kill him. Maybe Jacob wanted MiB to believe Jacob was dead when he, I don't know, "evolved" to the next level?

Besides, Jacob's wasn't stuck IN the cabin by the ash; Jacob's been OFF-island. Had he been on-island, appearing to the Losties?

Smokey was kept OUT of the cabin by the ash (until the circle was broken) and out of Otherton by the sonic fence. Other than that, Smokey seems to have had free rein of the island, but doesn't appear to have left the island.

 

[McCoy]

If they are two sides of the same coin, couldn't both MIB and Jacob have the ability to transform into a Smoky?

 

[Hober Mallow]

Maybe there's more than one Smoke Monster.

 

[seven_of_nineski]

There is no evidence, but correct me if I'm wrong, that Jacob has the ability to transform into other beings, i.e. another smokey, Christian. But what if there is more than one smokey and what if he can transform into other people or things? And originally I had assumed that Jacob was Christian and then I started thinking that the MIB is, but now I am just not sure. It is intriguing to think of all the possibilities for this show...

 

[Lindley]

Maybe there's more than one Smoke Monster.

Locke said way back in season 1 that what he saw wasn't smokey.

I've had a theory for a while now that there's a white monster out there as well as the black one, and that's the one Locke ran into.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Maybe there's more than one Smoke Monster.

Locke said way back in season 1 that what he saw wasn't smokey.

No he didn't. All he said was that what he saw was beautiful.

Christian is definitely MIB. He made Locke go back, told him he ws going to sacrifice himself, then back on the island, told Sun and Frank, "Stay right there a sec, John Locke's comin'!" We know it was right after that that Locke mysteriously appeared on the beach with the Ajira folks. It's pretty clear Christian was MIB.

 

[Lindley]

Maybe there's more than one Smoke Monster.

Locke said way back in season 1 that what he saw wasn't smokey.

No he didn't. All he said was that what he saw was beautiful.

Okay, maybe it was season 2. Whenever the Losties got their first good look at Smokey, someone asked Locke if that's what he saw, and he distinctly says "No."

 

[MikeS]

Who was it that got Ben to get Jack to bring Locke back to the Island? Whoever it was must have been an agent of Smokey, as I doubt the reason "everything has to be as it was the first time" is valid.

And Locke said "I looked into the heart of the island and what I saw was beautiful". I still wonder what he meant by that.

 

[Hunter X]

Locke said way back in season 1 that what he saw wasn't smokey.

No he didn't. All he said was that what he saw was beautiful.

Okay, maybe it was season 2. Whenever the Losties got their first good look at Smokey, someone asked Locke if that's what he saw, and he distinctly says "No."

I also remember an interview with the writers when they were asked about the truth behind the Smoke Monster, and they responded something like "how do you know there's just one?"

As usual, I don't have a link. It was a couple of seasons back.

 

[Hober Mallow]

Who was it that got Ben to get Jack to bring Locke back to the Island? Whoever it was must have been an agent of Smokey, as I doubt the reason "everything has to be as it was the first time" is valid.

We know Widmore was trying to help Locke get everyone back. Ben was spying on Locke, ended up killing Matthew A-Bad-Ass, and using John to get himself back to the island. I don't think anyone sent Ben, Ben was just trying to use the others to get his own worthless hide back to the island. He contacted Hawking, and Hawking used his help, but really didn't seem to think much of Ben. That's my take, anyway.

And Locke said "I looked into the heart of the island and what I saw was beautiful". I still wonder what he meant by that.

We know from when Ben was judged that smokey can replay portions of your life. Maybe Smokey surrounded him, and showed him beautiful things, as opposed to what it showed Ben.

Or, maybe at that moment, Locke was "claimed" or "infected" the way Sayid and Claire have Ben. And to them, Smokey looks beautiful. To Claire, he looked like her father, come to take her away and take care of her. Who knows what John saw? The only way we'll know now is if Flock tells us.

 

[Lindley]

We know from when Ben was judged that smokey can replay portions of your life.

We got hints of that when it confronted Ecko as well, seems to be a pattern.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Locke said way back in season 1 that what he saw wasn't smokey.

No he didn't. All he said was that what he saw was beautiful.

Okay, maybe it was season 2. Whenever the Losties got their first good look at Smokey, someone asked Locke if that's what he saw, and he distinctly says "No."

Then again, it could be chalked up to the changing smoke monster (adding new sounds and flashes). At this point, we'll wait and see.