Foreign numbers VERY Dissapointing.

[Therin of Andor]

my Brazilian friends told me the film wasn't mentioned in ANY advertising of any kind..
it showed in few theaters with NO advance advertising..

Websites are international, and "Star Trek" was widely promoted on all movie news websites for years before the film arrived.

Paramount USA no doubt expected that TV news the world over would use footage of the Sydney world gala premiere at the Sydney Opera House, which was offered to news services all over the world.

So you're saying that Brazilian film critics chose not to mention the movie and review it in local newspapers? The press kits are distributed freely to newspapers the world over.

So you're also saying that Brazil's local Paramount representatives chose not to distribute any posters, or that Brazil's cinema chains refused to display them in foyers? Doesn't Brazil have any movie review TV programs that would have loved to screen the trailers supplied to them? Doesn't Brazil have any movie gossip magazines that would have loved to reprint stories from the set supplied to them by Paramount publicists?

And that Brazilian Star Trek fans don't visit official and unofficial Star Trek websites, or talk to friends and relatives about Star Trek?

 

[Jeri]

Well, as I already mentioned a long while back, something is out of whack with Brazil; they are twice the population of Mexico and did half the business. Whereas Brazil did 1-1/2 times more than Mexico on Wolverine.

3.3 Mex > 1.9 Brazil (Trek) millions

14 Brazil > 10 Mex (Wolverine)

191 Brazil > 109 Mex (population)

 

[Blue_Trek]

I will once again be disappointed if the gap between the percentages doesn't close up better than XI on the next one XII.

Why?

I mean seriously, why?

Isn't the objective to actually have Star Trek movies (and hopefully television series)?

Simply because the whole world should enjoy Star Trek not just North America

They are missing out on some really great sci-fi cinema.


Jeri you are right again

Star Trek-Brazil-$1,907,913

Wolverine-Brazil-$14,135,273

Terminator 4-Brazil-$6,290,903

Angels & Demons-Brazil-$13,846,048

There is no doubt that the Brazil numbers under performed.

 

[Lindley]

Unfortunately, people don't seem to react well to the "This show is really great, you're seriously missing out if you don't watch it" line of argument. Ask any Firefly fan, they'll tell you all about it.

 

[Blue_Trek]

Yeah well at least in North America strong word of mouth helped this Trek movie out, I guess what you say applies to the rest of the world then?

 

[SalvorHardin]

Yeah well at least in North America strong word of mouth helped this Trek movie out, I guess what you say applies to the rest of the world then?

No it doesn't apply to the rest of the world, because then Trek XI wouldn't have made 125 million which is a significant improvement over previous Trek movies.
Even if it could have done better.

 

[Borgminister]

Simply because the whole world should enjoy Star Trek not just North America

Can't disagree there...

 

[MvRojo]

Well, even Transformers underperformed in Brazil, so far earning less than even NATM2. It seems like Fox has a better distribution/advertising wing there as all their movies have done fairly well.

To be fair though, Fox is probably set up better internationally because they are set up to handle huge blockbusters regularly. Paramount's most successful movies have pretty much all been released in the last few years, whereas Fox has had big movies since the 1980's going back to SW.

Paramount, in general, was not the most successful studio until recently. From 2000-2005, they were lucky to bring in $700 million domestically for the whole year. Now, they are easily making $1.5 billion annually at the box office.

 

[Blue_Trek]

^^^
Interesting observation

Paramount
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=pardw.htm

WARNER BROS.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=wb-newline.htm

20TH CENTURY FOX
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=fox.htm

SONY / COLUMBIA
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=screengems.htm


You sure see what movies are keeping these studios alive in the last 10 years.

And if Sony really wants to make killer movie by it's Stats. they only have to put Will Smith in a Spiderman movie. Because they really seem to love him.

 

[MvRojo]

^^^
Interesting observation

Paramount
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=pardw.htm

WARNER BROS.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=wb-newline.htm

20TH CENTURY FOX
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=fox.htm

SONY / COLUMBIA
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/studio/chart/?studio=screengems.htm


You sure see what movies are keeping these studios alive in the last 10 years

Yeah. And another thing about Paramount. Six of their Top 10 movies were released in the last 2 year, and five of them are basically films that Paramount gets to distribute (for Dreamworks, Marvel, and Lucasfilm). They are essentially bankrupt of ideas over there. Star Trek can arguably be seen as one of the only few bright spots for the studio itself in the last decade.

 

[KingstonTrekker]

I've converted the Canadian totals to American $ (using today's exchange rate), and subtracted them out of the North American total to get separate #s for the US and Canada, then taken 13 of the biggest markets, and calculated their per capita box office contribution to Trek, using population figures from Wikipedia.

I was right Canada is the biggest supporter of Trek next to the US.
Thanks for those detailed stats. It would be interesting to see when a movie failed in Canada but was a huge success in the US. Because I am thinking the cultures are so close that usually if it's a success in the US market it would be in Canada too, that's why the domestic market always includes Canada.

Yep..we Canadians are good Trekkers and you are correct that Canada's totals are always included in the "Domestic" NORTH AMERICAN numbers for films.

However...our cultures are "not so close." Have you travelled across Canada -- it is a nation of great diversity (Quebec, Atlantic Canada, B.C., Northern Canada, etc.) This regional diversity, in addition to very significant historical and political differences from the U.S., has resulted in our own cultural paradigm which is "not so close" to that of the USA. In fact, when you ask many Canadians what it means to "be a Canadian" they will most commonly reply "We are not Americans." It is true that there is a huge American influence in some parts of Canada, but overall our culture is quite different from that of the U.S.

I completely realize that you meant no insult by your post, but I wanted to address the common American conceit that you communicated in your comments.

Plus...William Shatner, James Doohan, and Nicole de Boer were/are all Canadians!

 

[Blue_Trek]

I completely realize that you meant no insult by your post, but I wanted to address the common American conceit that you communicated in your comments.

That's really funny since I am a Canadian Citizen, that lives and works five minutes from our border with America.

The comment was issued as a generic statement that I knew would be read by more Americans than Canadians. It's just my posting style that I use on all forums.

Believe me, I understand exactly what you are saying

 

[M'Sharak]

...

In fact, when you ask many Canadians what it means to "be a Canadian" they will most commonly reply "We are not Americans."

...

I see what you're saying, but it's also true that Canadians will say "we are not Americans" (I've even heard of T-shirts printed with the statement) when traveling in Europe or elsewhere outside North America, because they're frequently assumed to be Americans, based on style of dress, speech, etc. Not close, and yet close, depending upon where you happen to be standing, which kind of illustrates how demographic categories work. For movie-audience purposes, Canadians in general look a lot like Americans, as compared to people from other parts of the world.

 

[KingstonTrekker]

I completely realize that you meant no insult by your post, but I wanted to address the common American conceit that you communicated in your comments.

That's really funny since I am a Canadian Citizen, that lives and works five minutes from our border with America.

The comment was issued as a generic statement that I knew would be read by more Americans than Canadians. It's just my posting style that I use on all forums.

Believe me, I understand exactly what you are saying

Nice to meet another Canadian on here!!!

 

[Jeri]

I can only repeat my story of when we were university exchange students in Germany.

We had a big class of American exchange students there, and when asked by a German professor where we would choose to live if not in America, to a person each one of us said Canada.

Taking into consideration the group was obviously open to foreign cultures and languages, we still think Canada is the most comfortable one for us next to our own.

 

[Daneel]

I completely realize that you meant no insult by your post, but I wanted to address the common American conceit that you communicated in your comments.

That's really funny since I am a Canadian Citizen, that lives and works five minutes from our border with America.

The comment was issued as a generic statement that I knew would be read by more Americans than Canadians. It's just my posting style that I use on all forums.

Believe me, I understand exactly what you are saying

Nice to meet another Canadian on here!!!

Oh, there's quite a few of us around here.

As for what M'Sharak said, it's very true -- I went on a school-organized trip to Europe when I was in twelfth grade, and all of the students were given backpacks with the maple leaf on them. We were told this was so the Europeans we encountered would know we weren't American and thus probably treat us better. And yes, between that and a later trip to Europe, I was mistaken for an American a few times. Canadians and Americans have their differences, undeniably, but the way we dress and speak are often quite similar, and we have a lot of the same tastes in popular entertainment as well.

 

[M'Sharak]

That's really funny since I am a Canadian Citizen, that lives and works five minutes from our border with America.

The comment was issued as a generic statement that I knew would be read by more Americans than Canadians. It's just my posting style that I use on all forums.

Believe me, I understand exactly what you are saying

Nice to meet another Canadian on here!!!

Oh, there's quite a few of us around here.

Quite a few. A couple of the current mods are Canadian, in fact, as have been some others in the past.

 

[I am not Spock]

What's the diff?

Hugh Jackman pulls in local crowds.

What about Eric Bana and Karl Urban? Chopped liver?

 

[Therin of Andor]

What about Eric Bana and Karl Urban? Chopped liver?

The question was about why "Wolverine", in particular, did so well in Australia. Even the movie "Australia" - which did dismally overseas and got panned by local and international critics, and poor ol' Nicole got panned as well - did extremely well in Australia, and the success was put down to Jackman.

At one of the screenings of JJ's ST I attended, one family sat puzzled after the movie, and the Dad finally said, "I thought Eric Bana was supposed to be in this movie?" Mom and the kids said, "Yeah, so did we."

And Karl Urban's a New Zealander.

 

[MvRojo]

What about Eric Bana and Karl Urban? Chopped liver?

The question was about why "Wolverine", in particular, did so well in Australia. Even the movie "Australia" - which did dismally overseas and got panned by local and international critics, and poor ol' Nicole got panned as well - did extremely well in Australia, and the success was put down to Jackman.

At one of the screenings of JJ's ST I attended, one family sat puzzled after the movie, and the Dad finally said, "I thought Eric Bana was supposed to be in this movie?" Mom and the kids said, "Yeah, so did we."

And Karl Urban's a New Zealander.

And maybe because it was called "Australia."

Baz Luhrmann is also Australian, and all of his movies have done markedly better in Australia.