Forbiden Planet Movie, Thoughts and Questions on there Universe.

[Noname Given]

Four of the modern variations lasted longer than TOS already. If you're measuring in terms of success they are all better than the original.

How do you figure that a lasted longer than TOS?

TOS is still in syndication and airing on both H&I and MeTV, as well as some other local channels across the country.

Starting in 2009, there were three feature films based entirely on TOS.

In 2017, "Star Trek: Discovery" had two complete seasons based in the exact time frame that TOS occurred in (because both TOS: 'The Cage' and TOS: "The Menagerie" are parts of TOS); and brought in classic characters from TOS onto the show.

Further a new show and development entitled: "Strange New Worlds" - set in the TOS time frame, and focused around the characters of Captain Christopher Pike, Mr. Spock, and Number One <--- All characters who first appeared in TOS episodes.

There's also another series that's most likely set in the TOS time frame, and that's "Section 31", starring Michelle Yeoh.

So please tell me again how your 4 Berman era 24th century Star Trek series "lasted longer than TOS" and somehow "are all better than the original."

 

[Discofan]

How do you figure that a lasted longer than TOS?
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I am speaking in terms of episode production. TOS stopped making new ones after only three years. TNG, DS9, VOY, and even ENT lasted longer than that.

 

[JD]

And Discovery can be added to that list now too, since they are in the midst of production for their fourth season.

 

[BillJ]

I am speaking in terms of episode production. TOS stopped making new ones after only three years. TNG, DS9, VOY, and even ENT lasted longer than that.

Yet, IIRC, TOS still had more total viewers on a weekly basis than any of the other shows. Standards were just different.

 

[Discofan]

Yet, IIRC, TOS still had more total viewers on a weekly basis than any of the other shows. Standards were just different.

Yeah, people had fewer choices so their standards were lower...

It's like in those eastern countries back in the cold war days when they were standing in line to get bread. I doubt they were too picky about the kind of bread they wanted!!

 

[BillJ]

Yeah, people had fewer choices so their standards were lower...

It's like in those eastern countries back in the cold war days when they were standing in line to get bread. I doubt they were too picky about the kind of bread they wanted!!

You sure about that? People weren’t addicted to entertainment then as they are now.

 

[Discofan]

You sure about that? People weren’t addicted to entertainment then as they are now.

Do you realize how many series exist simultaneously nowadays? It's enormous! I hear most of the newest series don't go beyond the pilot and a few lucky ones manage to last a whole year without being canceled!!!

 

[BillJ]

Do you realize how many series exist simultaneously nowadays? It's enormous! I hear most of the newest series don't go beyond the pilot and a few lucky ones manage to last a whole year without being canceled!!!

What does that have to do with TOS? It had to compete with other projects for the dollars available back then.

 

[Discofan]

What does that have to do with TOS? It had to compete with other projects for the dollars available back then.

What it has to do is that people are pickier now than they ever were before. Now you need to bring something new to the table for people to even consider watching your series. And it's really hard to find something new when a gazillion things have already been tried.

 

[BillJ]

What it has to do is that people are pickier now than they ever were before.

Which is why they continue to watch TOS on TV, streaming and physical media. TOS is a cultural icon, it is why Discovery so desperately rips it off.

"Hey, remember X? So do we!!!".

 

[Noname Given]

Do you realize how many series exist simultaneously nowadays? It's enormous! I hear most of the newest series don't go beyond the pilot and a few lucky ones manage to last a whole year without being canceled!!!

Um...that's how Television (and now streaming services) have worked since the technology became adopted in peoples homes and they started producing entertainment for it. There have been a few actors who have made a living/career out of what is referred to as "pilot season" that happened yearly (prior to the pandemic of course).

 

[Discofan]

Um...that's how Television (and now streaming services) have worked since the technology became adopted in peoples homes and they started producing entertainment for it. There have been a few actors who have made a living/career out of what is referred to as "pilot season" that happened yearly (prior to the pandemic of course).

I heard an amusing anecdote about the pilot of Voyager. First, they chose a different actress to play the role of Janeway and after nearly shooting the entire episode SHE decided that she didn't like the role, so they went with their second choice (Kate Mulgrew) and after shooting nearly the entire episode, they decided that they didn't like her hairdo, so they shot the episode a third time.

 

[Non Sync]

I heard an amusing anecdote about the pilot of Voyager. First, they chose a different actress to play the role of Janeway and after nearly shooting the entire episode SHE decided that she didn't like the role, so they went with their second choice (Kate Mulgrew) and after shooting nearly the entire episode, they decided that they didn't like her hairdo, so they shot the episode a third time.

The original Janeway was Genevieve Bujold who quit after just two days of filming.

 

[Discofan]

The original Janeway was Genevieve Bujold who quit after just two days of filming.

Yes, I saw her play the part. You could tell that she wasn't enthusiastic about it. She was more tame, subdued than Mulgrew.

 

[JD]

I heard an amusing anecdote about the pilot of Voyager. First, they chose a different actress to play the role of Janeway and after nearly shooting the entire episode SHE decided that she didn't like the role, so they went with their second choice (Kate Mulgrew) and after shooting nearly the entire episode, they decided that they didn't like her hairdo, so they shot the episode a third time.

This kind of thing isn't that uncommon, they recast a whole bunch of people in Game of Thrones after filming the pilot, and went back and redid it with the cast they had for the series, and Buffy The Vampire Slayer also had a different Willow when they started work on the pilot.
EDIT: I just checked the Buffy Wiki, and the pilot with the other Willow was a 30 hour pilot that was made just for Fox, that was never meant to be shown on TV, not a different version of the first episode that aired like I thought.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

EDIT: I just checked the Buffy Wiki, and the pilot with the other Willow was a 30 hour pilot that was made just for Fox, that was never meant to be shown on TV, not a different version of the first episode that aired like I thought.

30 hours!?!! Considering the actual episodes we watch are usually around 40 minutes, that is about 2 full seasons.

 

[XCV330]

Season 1 of TOS remains the best star trek, in my opinion. And I like most other star trek, most of Voyager and bits of Ent excluded. It's the cornerstone around which this house is made. If it had not been as strong a season, sure it might have gotten a few sincere attempts to revive it, like Lost in Space of Planet of the Apes, but it wouldn't have had this kind of continuity we enjoy and which keeps us here.

The good things, and not so good things done by the Berman era are part of those miss-matched bricks lain on top of that foundation.

And that does tie back to the original post. Forbidden Planet never had that kind of continuity, and trying to make it have one now would be about the same affect as trying to turn the Hobbit into three rambling movies. I take one thing back, actually Forbidden Planet does have continuity, as someone else mentioned: it's Star Trek. You could say Forbidden Planet was the most successful franchise starting film next to Dr. No, by that extremely gossamer metric.

 

[JD]

30 hours!?!! Considering the actual episodes we watch are usually around 40 minutes, that is about 2 full seasons.

Sorry that was supposed to be minutes. I haven't watched it, but they do have it on Youtube if anyone wants to see it.

 

[Discofan]

Sorry that was supposed to be minutes. I haven't watched it, but they do have it on Youtube if anyone wants to see it.

Indeed, whoever would sit through a thirty-hour episode deserves a medal.

 

[LaxScrutiny]

Indeed, whoever would sit through a thirty-hour episode deserves a medal.

And a bidet .
Break it up into 60 parts and I'd gladly watch it over the course of a month.