For Gallifrey!!!

[wamdue]

What about Richard Armitage as the master?? Sure he was a little campy in that Robin Hood show, but so was the old master

and less campy in Spooks

That said he is starting to crave out a film career, he maybe a bit busy.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I have a feeling we won't be seeing the Master back any time soon. I think there was a reason RTD sent him back into the time locked Time War...so that Moffat could have a sufficient amount of time for separation and really come up with a story that required his return. Everyone is assuming that the Master would regenerate into a new body again too...we're not sure his current status within the time lock. I assume that he's still in his fluctuating Jon Simm body but could just as easily regenerate into another again assuming that when he was resurrected his life spans were also included. The fact that he didn't regenerate but was resurrected through a complicated ritual would indicate that he doesn't have the capability anymore. He chose to kill himself at the end of "The Last of the Time Lords" rather than regenerate to spite the Doctor.

 

[QCzar]

I for one wouldn't mind that. While I do have some fanboyish desire to see other classic Time Lords featured in Moff-Who, I feel both that the Master has had his day and that if other Time Lords are featured, the new show should get the opportunity to do more new characters.

The concept of Time Lords presents a very rich palette from which to create characters. I mean, come on, face-changing, nigh-immortal, time traveling aliens? The possibilities are endless.

That said, the Doctor and the Master do have something special, so I can't see him being killed out of the Whoniverse entirely. He'll definitely be back eventually.

 

[Admiral_Young]

The character I want most to return is Romana...followed by Susan.

 

[Bacl]

The character I want most to return is Romana...followed by Susan.

Susan already returned in "The End Of Time parts 1 & 2" only she'd regenerated.

/ducks.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ A lot of fans thought that as did I but nope it's the Doctor's mom.

 

[Skywalker]

It's whoever we want it to be until someone identifies her on-screen.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ True enough.

 

[QCzar]

The Grand Poof of Other Worlds?

 

[EJA]

Personally, I find it a bit difficult to believe that the unnamed woman in The End of Time was the Doctor's mother. It just doesn't feel right somehow. The Doctor himself is over 900 years old; how old would his parents be if they were still alive, which I find unlikely. Also, the Eighth Doctor states in the TV movie that his mother was human; very few people consider this to be reliable, I know, but I think it's worth mentioning here.

My personal preference is that the Woman was Susan.

 

[wamdue]

Personally, I find it a bit difficult to believe that the unnamed woman in The End of Time was the Doctor's mother. It just doesn't feel right somehow. The Doctor himself is over 900 years old; how old would his parents be if they were still alive, which I find unlikely. Also, the Eighth Doctor states in the TV movie that his mother was human; very few people consider this to be reliable, I know, but I think it's worth mentioning here.

My personal preference is that the Woman was Susan.

im going to ignore the half human part for a moment, but the Doctor is like Time Lord rock and roll, live fast and die hard, Time Lords who spend there time on Gallifery will be thousands of years old, by the time they use up there regernations, so the notion that the Doctors timelord mother (if he had one) would not be alive is crazy, the Doctor seems to regernate every few years now, its crazy.

 

[The Wormhole]

Personally, I find it a bit difficult to believe that the unnamed woman in The End of Time was the Doctor's mother. It just doesn't feel right somehow. The Doctor himself is over 900 years old; how old would his parents be if they were still alive, which I find unlikely.

According to The Writer's Tale, the Doctor's mother had indeed died some point in the past, but like Rassilon and the Master she was resurrected to fight the Time War.

But of course, none of this was stated in the show, so she can be whoever the hell we want her to be.

Although, if I could play devil's acvocate here for a moment, how much do we know about Time Lord reproduction? I mean, aside from what was said in Lungbarrow about family looms or whatever it was? If his mother was in her 20s or 30s and in her first incarnation when she gave birth to the Doctor, and if we believe the Doctor's claims of only being 900 years old, than in The End of Time she'd only be between 920 and 940, and could still be within her first five incarnations. Not that much of a stretch, really.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Well I too cling to the notion that the woman in white is actually Susan, but I suppose if you think about RTD's intention and reexamine that scene between the Doctor/Sylvia/Wilf the Doctor's look takes on a different meaning entirely. It also puts the scene in the church at the start between her and Wilf in a new light as well...a mother's concern for her son. As RTD himself has stated it is up to us to decide who she is but her identity has been revealed and confirmed. It does work both ways. I'm not entirely sure how it's difficult to believe that she is his mother...she appears among the Time Lord Council, it is reasonable to believe that the corrupt and desperate Council resurrected her as well or at least recruited her in their attempt to stop the Doctor from using the Moment. At least that is a plausible explanation for her presence.

I'm writing a Doctor Who fan fic that is about the Birth of the Valeyard that has grounds in the Time War with the Eighth Doctor. The plot is rather complicated and has a lot of wibly, wobly, timey, wimey stuff in it and features three different Doctor's including the 11th and 12th.

 

[Mr Light]

What is this "Writers Tale" you guys are talking about?

 

[Admiral_Young]

We're referring to this...

http://www.amazon.ca/Doctor-Who-Wri...861X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1294856330&sr=1-1

 

[Iamnotspock]

First, SJA quotes don't count.

Then, we don't know how/why regeneration works. Is the look you get dependent on genetics? environment? ancestors?

Considering there is no real consistency among the various incarnations of the Doctor and the Master, I don't think there are any pre-existing conditions which determine how a Time Lord's new appearance will be following a regeneration. And furthermore, skin colour isn't exactly uniformly black and white. Some white people have darker skin than other white people, and some black people have lighter skin than other black people. There are so many variations of skin colour within the types classified as "black" and "white" that it kind of makes little sense to dwell on colour any further than if you had to make a description of a person and you wanted details as full as possible.

If the Doctor became a black person, I would see nothing wrong with that and would not consider it a violation of anything previously established. Hell, both the Ninth and Eleventh Doctor's have implied that regeneration can result with a body looking completely different than the standard human/Gallifreyan norm. If it's possible for a Time Lord to regenerate into a body with two heads or none, then it's possible for a Time Lord's skin to change colour.

Quite. Steven Moffat has pointed out that the Doctor changing his skin colour is nothing when compared to him changing his height ("between Colin Baker and Sylvester McCoy, where do the extra bits go?! Are they stored in hyperspace or something?") and regenerating with his hair pre-gelled or with a parting.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I'm always wanting to see more rooms of the Tardis. "Invasion of Time" was actually my all time favorite episode as a kid I thought it was so cool how they were running around in these infinite rooms in the Tardis hiding from the Sontarans.

Amen! Although one question I've always had about that scene: Were they really going in circles or does the Doctor have multiple identical rooms in the TARDIS right next to each other? I kinda prefer the latter explantion, where the Doctor is the only one that can tell the difference between them to know exactly where he is.

What about Richard Armitage as the master?? Sure he was a little campy in that Robin Hood show, but so was the old master

and less campy in Spooks

For a while there, I was mixed up. I thought you were talking about Keith Allen, the actor who played the Sheriff of Nottingham. Personally, I think he would be a better Master. I loved how delightfully evil he was on Robin Hood, particularly that running gag where he kept using all these old skulls to try to find the perfect replacement tooth.

I'm assuming that's a Harry Potter reference? I don't know anything about that, but by Grabthar's Hammer, the Master shall rule!

Except now all of the Master's plans involve terrorizing office buildings.

I still really need to pick up "A Writer's Tale". I have flipped through it before in the book store but haven't been able to pick up...I get paid this week, maybe I'll do so then. I do remember being amused by RTD's fondness over the creation of Penny who was like the proto-Donna, a companion he never got to use.

So who is Penny then? Where was she supposed to show up?

Has there ever been shown a black time-lord? in the old days?

Black people weren't allowed on TV in the 1970s. On the rare occasions that they did appear, it was only because the Klan censors were asleep at the switch. (And believe you me, there was many a flogging at the following rally!)

 

[The Wormhole]

I still really need to pick up "A Writer's Tale". I have flipped through it before in the book store but haven't been able to pick up...I get paid this week, maybe I'll do so then. I do remember being amused by RTD's fondness over the creation of Penny who was like the proto-Donna, a companion he never got to use.

So who is Penny then? Where was she supposed to show up?

Originally, RTD was going to create a new character to be the Doctor's companion in S4, named Penny Carter. The character was very much planned to be somewhat how Donna eventually turned out. The similarities between Penny and Donna, combined with Catherine Tate being available and willing to do a full series of Doctor Who prompted RTD to drop Penny and make Donna a full-time companion. RTD ended up using the name Penny Carter for the reporter cpatured by Miss Foster and her thugs in Partners in Crime.

 

[Capt_Pickirk]

and less campy in Spooks

For a while there, I was mixed up. I thought you were talking about Keith Allen, the actor who played the Sheriff of Nottingham. Personally, I think he would be a better Master. I loved how delightfully evil he was on Robin Hood, particularly that running gag where he kept using all these old skulls to try to find the perfect replacement tooth.

Yes! That's even better than what I thought! plus he'll be able to do the young man in a old man's body (or whatever) perfectly!

 

[Starkers]

The woman in white makes as much sense as the Doctor's mum as his granddaughter, it just would work on a whole another level if she was Susan, and I just love the notion that she might look older than her Grand Dad!