Follow up Legal cases

[WesleysDisciple]

Ever notice how many episodes end with the likely hood of a trial

Ranmus the con artist from the past

the Fake ardra

on DS9 their was alixus

any other cases?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Kivas Fajo for sure, on many many charges.

The mercenaries from Gambit I and II.

ETA: The Ktarians from The Game after they were towed to Starbase.

 

[Mojochi]

The one I'm most interested in is the Admiral Pressman Pegasus debacle, how Picard was able to play that at trial, how it all went down that Riker was virtually uneffected, & if at any point they brought in Tom Riker for testimony as well, which I'd assume they would, given the lack of survivors.

That's some ugly business right there that really develops all those characters, & I for one would've loved to see it, especially if they could've shaped a story for it, with maybe some subplots about how it effected Tom's life on his ship, getting dragged into it.

Pressman: "I have powerful friends"
Picard: "You're going to need them"
Yeah... & we need to see the rest of that, thank you. lol

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

The one I'm most interested in is the Admiral Pressman Pegasus debacle, how Picard was able to play that at trial, how it all went down that Riker was virtually uneffected, & if at any point they brought in Tom Riker for testimony as well, which I'd assume they would, given the lack of survivors.

That's some ugly business right there that really develops all those characters, & I for one would've loved to see it, especially if they could've shaped a story for it, with maybe some subplots about how it effected Tom's life on his ship, getting dragged into it.

Pressman: "I have powerful friends"
Picard: "You're going to need them"
Yeah... & we need to see the rest of that, thank you. lol

Following up was not TNG's forte. I was surprised they brought Tom back on DS9.

 

[WesleysDisciple]

Ideas what the fake Ardra from devils due likely seemed like in a trial

 

[Mojochi]

There was also mind rapist, coma killer Jev from Violations, & life sucking diplomat Ves Alkar from Man of the People

I'd hope they were also able to, in some way, bring the hammer down on whoever was to blame for messing with Riker in Frame of Mind too, unless he was poking around where he shouldn't be again, like in 1st Contact.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

There was also mind rapist, coma killer Jev from Violations

I just got to this one today. It seemed that Jev would be tried by his own people. When they thought it was Tarmin, Picard noted that the Federation had no means to prosecute such a thing.

 

[Mojochi]

I just got to this one today. It seemed that Jev would be tried by his own people. When they thought it was Tarmin, Picard noted that the Federation had no means to prosecute such a thing.

Which never made any sense to me. I mean he assaulted 3 people until they were comatose. That's a potentially life threatening physical assault

 

[Oddish]

Don't forget the admiral in Ensign Ro. Hope he got a cell in the east wing...

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

"Commander MacDuff" from Conundrum, assuming he survived the multiple phaser shots.

Imagine a jailbreak of just the criminals the Enterprise ran in. They'd be like the Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

There was also mind rapist, coma killer Jev from Violations, & life sucking diplomat Ves Alkar from Man of the People

I'd hope they were also able to, in some way, bring the hammer down on whoever was to blame for messing with Riker in Frame of Mind too, unless he was poking around where he shouldn't be again, like in 1st Contact.

Life sucking diplomat does not survive to be tried. And Frame of Mind aliens would need to be extradited, we don't know if they have a treaty or not.

Encounter at Farpoint might be an interesting trial. It'd probably be slavery charges.

 

[Oddish]

The Frame of Mind guys were employed by the government, one faction thereof anyway. It would be like charging the Gul who tortured Picard, or the @#*$!'s who "imprisoned" O'Brien. Not that all three don't deserve it...

 

[Mojochi]

Life sucking diplomat does not survive to be tried.

Oh yeah... I forgot it backfired. Don't watch that one much.

Don't forget the admiral in Ensign Ro. Hope he got a cell in the east wing...

Court-martialed for being an idiot maybe, but I doubt he went up for prison time. What did he really do? The Cardies did some terror attacks on Federation turf, made it look like Bajoran terrorists, went to Kennelly & said "Now we have a mutual aggressor", fed him some stuff about Orta being responsible, which Kennelly regurgitated to Picard

Ro divulges that she was tasked by Kennelly to offer Orta weapons, violating the Prime Directive, but I doubt they were ever going to give him any. They certainly hadn't yet. "Oh, you attacked us... Here's some weapons. Please stop." Doesn't sound like a well advised strategy imho

They probably just wanted to draw Orta out, so the Cardies could kill him, maybe. At least that would be wise of Kennelly to claim, after this came out, that he was just lying about trading weapons to draw Orta out, as a way to keep the peace with Cardassia, because they wanted him..

 

[JirinPanthosa]

In Starship Mine nobody on the ship survives but the collaborators on the surface do. I guess that’s be racketeering, conspiracy and felony murder (Not clear if the blast that hit small talk guy was stun or kill).

What is curious is why Lore didn’t get a trial.

 

[Finn]

Wasn't it Data who made the decision...?

 

[Oddish]

We don't know how much damage that weapon blast did to Lore. He might have been impossible to reactivate without extensive repair. In that case, it was simply a matter not of killing him, but of choosing not to offer those repairs.

 

[Mojochi]

(Not clear if the blast that hit small talk guy was stun or kill)

Hutch was killed Which btw, kind of makes that final chuckle at the end, where they're all having a go at Picard about his saddle, rather insensitive imho. The only reason the saddle came up at all was because Picard was trying to ditch Hutch's party, because no one could stand his small talk, but ho ho ho, let's have a giggle about it at Picard's expense, & forget how old Hutch died throwing a party for you ingrates. lol

What is curious is why Lore didn’t get a trial.

He did get a trial, a trial by his peers. He was judged by Data, who at that time was the only other known Soong Android. They were a culture of 2. IMHO, it's a legitimate ruling. Data sentenced him to deactivation for his crimes, which at that point had escalated beyond just mass murder & mayhem. He was legit getting into war crimes by then, taking over the rogue Borg in an attempt to overtake god knows how much, maybe the rest of the Borg, & even the Federation... everything.

Lore could've taken over everything maybe, like some kind of sadistic, humanoid torturing galactic overlord... and with Data under his thumb, & the collective to back them up, that might've been possible. Data was maybe the only thing in the entire galaxy that could stop it (& Lore knew that) & stop it he did.

What kind of Federation trial was going to do anything more definitive than deactivation anyhow? & I tend to think Data was right, that deactivation was ultimately the only way a threat like that was going to end unquestionably.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

You could say that about almost any villain though. Any other villain no matter how dangerous, if you take them alive, you try them for their crimes and send them to jail. Lore and only Lore gets summary death penalty.

They were not a culture of two. They were a race of two. (Well, three, as we didn't know at that point.) Data is a Federation citizen.

 

[Mojochi]

Data is a Federation citizen.

Lore isn't... but Worf is, & they've let him deal brutally with Klingon matters outside Federation jurisdiction before. Dude put Duras to death just the same. I'm of the opinion that when it comes to android crimes, android judgement is just as valid as Federation judgement, maybe more deserving, because who in the Federation would be better experienced to render such a judgement, having never been an android?

They were not a culture of two. They were a race of two.

For all intents & purposes, there's no difference here. They are unique among all others, & merit a certain amount of respect for what they are, among themselves alone. Why bother fighting for their rights at all? Picard recognizes in Measure of a Man that their will be many more, a race unlike any other, with its own identity. That's a culture. It matters no less imho that there's only 2, as of then.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

It's insane to think that any time there are only two people of a race alive, either of them is sole arbitrer of justice for the other.

They didn't let Lore remain disassembled because they trusted Data's judgment. They did it because they conveniently considered androids people when they liked them and objects when they disliked them.

It's not the same as the Duras situation. Duras had voluntarily entered into a legal duel. Lore had been disabled and neutralized as a threat, and could have easily been captured alive at no risk to anyone else.