Fleet vs fleet
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I can get on board with this.
Sadly, they missed a great opportunity for a fleet action in Nemesis ("Picard's late coming out of the nebula, Captain, should we do anything? Like, go in there because he's probably been jumped by the ship we know is chasing him?" "Oh, good God no, we don't have the budget for that!").
Then again, that whole affair was a missed opportunity.
TMP could've had a Starfleet action against V'Ger, ending in tragedy, which honestly would've made more sense than Enterprise being the only ship between the Klingon border and Earth... I'm still kind of shocked they had quarantined the Mutara Sector in TSFS but had no enforcement fleet, although how the plot gets around that is a hard one... but the "fleet battle" in First Contact was about the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.
Sadly, they missed a great opportunity for a fleet action in Nemesis ("Picard's late coming out of the nebula, Captain, should we do anything? Like, go in there because he's probably been jumped by the ship we know is chasing him?" "Oh, good God no, we don't have the budget for that!").
Then again, that whole affair was a missed opportunity.
TMP could've had a Starfleet action against V'Ger, ending in tragedy, which honestly would've made more sense than Enterprise being the only ship between the Klingon border and Earth... I'm still kind of shocked they had quarantined the Mutara Sector in TSFS but had no enforcement fleet, although how the plot gets around that is a hard one... but the "fleet battle" in First Contact was about the most pathetic thing I've ever seen.
Enterprise was the fastest ship in the fleet aside from Excelsior (as suggested on screen by Cpt. Styles). Also, they weren't actually in the Genesis system for more than 30 minutes. Hell, the Enterprise was destroyed within 10 minutes of entering orbit. You can only bring the hammer of God down so quickly...
Isn't she always?
It's mostly because we never got to see the actual battle, all we saw were some last efforts from Starfleet to stop the cube before it reached earth when the Enterprise arrived. Countless ships, including the flagship, must have been destroyed before the viewer got to see anything as suggested by the radio communication we heard.
It still makes it cheap, but it does justify it in the overall context of the film.
While it would be cool to see fleet vs fleet battles, it's just to expensive to make. That's why we got small battles in First Contact and Nemesis.
^I wonder how quick the admiral who ordered Picard, who alone was capable of identifying the ductaped belly button of the Borg cube, to stay out of the fight was fired for losing dozens of offscreen ships and tens of thousands of offscreen lives.
He was fired. Offscreen. 
That's still fleet vs ship, rather than fleet vs fleet.
He wasn't fired or killed. He was shown to be still alive and serving in up until 2376 as he was shown or mentioned sending messaged to Voyager. Unless he got fired/stepped down and the disaster that was the Dominion War in early 2374 saw him return to service.
Ha, during Operation Return he was probably on the horn to Ben Sisko frantically ordering him not to enter the wormhole and contact the Prophets.
In the words of Gimli the Dawrf: "YESSSS!"
I think this is remarkably plausible too. Unless there's some cost cutting shake up at Paramount, these sequels are going to have substantially larger budgets than any Trek movie ever did. Considering the success of the last one the suits will want roughly more of the same, i.e. action, adventure, Pew! PEW! CRASH KABOOM!
And above all Abrams is a Star Wars fan: big close quarters dogfights was that series bread and butter.
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