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First time watching DS9

Okay. I didn't think it was that big of a spoiler.

Yeah, no harm done. I just don't want to know anything about what happens, plotwise or who hooks up with whom.

Obviously I'm already a little spoiled (it's hard to not have seen a promo picture or discussion about Worf, the Defiant or the Dominion), but there is no possible way for me to know which spoilers are ok and which not. (This one, for example, was something I didn't knew before)

Because of this I would like to prevent ANY discussion about stuff that happens in episodes after the one I reviewed last. Deal?
 
Basically, Bashir is a poster child for how intelligent people lack social skills.

You really believe that, don't you?
I am trying to be very oblique out of respect for the OP, but there have been significant writing about how social intelligence can be independent of other intellectual and cognitive properties.

I thank you for this, redundant unsolicited expounding of your initial statement. I'd hate to meet the person to whom that statement wasn't clear enough in and of itself.
 
Okay. I didn't think it was that big of a spoiler.

Yeah, no harm done. I just don't want to know anything about what happens, plotwise or who hooks up with whom.

Obviously I'm already a little spoiled (it's hard to not have seen a promo picture or discussion about Worf, the Defiant or the Dominion), but there is no possible way for me to know which spoilers are ok and which not. (This one, for example, was something I didn't knew before)

Because of this I would like to prevent ANY discussion about stuff that happens in episodes after the one I reviewed last. Deal?
I am sorry about this but I just gave it as an example proving that Julian Bashir's social skills weren't that bad, after all.
 
You really believe that, don't you?
I am trying to be very oblique out of respect for the OP, but there have been significant writing about how social intelligence can be independent of other intellectual and cognitive properties.

I thank you for this, redundant unsolicited expounding of your initial statement. I'd hate to meet the person to whom that statement wasn't clear enough in and of itself.

Indeed.
 
Melora


Synopsis
Woman in wheelchair visits DS9. On her world is no gravitiy. A 'fish out of water'-story follows, but not in the funny 80s kind of way. Julian Bashir is hitting on her. Because he hits on everything that moves. Even if it rolls.
Also, a guy with the biggest evolutionary disadvantage ever in his face visits DS9 to kill Quark, because Quark once ratted him out and thereby got him into a Romulan prison.


Review
This episode is garbage. I don't hate romance, but I hate the 'Trek romance of the week'. Romance is not enough. We all know it will not work out, and in the next episode everything will be forgotten and exactly like before. At least try to do something interesting with it!
Also, the romance doesn't work. Melora is kind of a bitch, and Julian hasn't found love, he just found a woman to hit on who can't run away from him (sorry...). Neither of them is likeable in this episode, and they share no chemistry on screen whatsoever.
And the disability-subtext doesn't work AT ALL, because she is not disabled, but comes from different enviromental conditions.
And the B-plot about Quark is so bad, I don't want to waste my time talking about it...


Pros
+ Bashir and Melora have a date at a klingon snack bar. Where they got served the most disgusting food I have ever seen. What the hell? Every other Star Trek main cast has problems being even near klingon food, and they go there for a date? This scene was so bizarre, I actually liked it.
+ Also, at the end, the fat klingon chef is singing! I don't even...
+ The zero-g scene looked surprisingly well and beautiful!
+ Quark comes in fear to Odo to be protected and confesses someone wants to kill him. Odo puts the meeeaaaaaaaanest smirk on his face I have ever seen!

++ One scene really stood out to me: When Jadzia and Melora fly in the runabout, they listen to music by a vulcan composer, to which Jadzia comments: she doesn't consider 'Delvok's music' to be vulcan, because it has 'too much emotion' in it. And then this beautiful piece of music plays in the background. This scene was so good, it created a whole world!

Cons
- Melora comes on board and leaves a first impression that is confirmed all over the episode: She's a bit of an ass.
- The guy who wants to kill Quark has some sort of 'bridge' out of flesh between his chin and his nose. This is not only ugly, but makes no sense at all. He even tries to eat in this episode! Stuffing the food right in the crack between bis mouth and this flesh-pimple in front of his mouth. It looks as idiotic as it sounds.
- Meloras physical appereance makes no sense whatsoever. Why on earth should she have the same physique as a human? When she lives on a planet without gravity, shouldn't she have, I don't know, wings? extremely long extremities? Also, zero-g sex would work different. Maybe with knobs? Wonder what Julian's reaction would be if he discovers those...
-- Also: How did Melora ever became a Starfleet officer? There is a reason we see no cripples or fat guys in Starfleet: They're astronauts! They have to deliver peak performances! Flying a F-22 is highly stressfull, both for the whole body and the concentration. Does anyone think flying a starship is easier? A Starfleet officer has do be able to do his job, whether in zero-g or under high centrifugal forces, with low air pressure or too many toxins in the air. Space is challenging. And this is no discrimination either: Geordi LaForge was born blind. But with his Visor he is able to bring the physical performance needed. Someone in a wheelchair isn't. It would risk both his life and the lifes of his comrades. It sucks. Hard. But this is the whole point of a disability, not some 'special snowflake'-status. She really should have been enlisted personal for a specific mission, not a Starfleet officer. But then we wouldn't get any Runabout action...
-Also, it feels completely wrong when a doctor wants to perform a life-altering surgery on you when part of his motivation might be, that afterwards he will be able to shag you without breaking all your bones.
- All in all, the disadvantage-subtext doesn't work. If she is disabeled she should be treated. If it's only the different enviromental conditions no one should force life-altering surgery on her. Since the episode couldn't decide which of these two storys it wants to tell, I won't decide either.


Final words
This episode has a lot of problems, especially in the ethics department regarding people with disabilities. But the biggest problem is the characters. They don't work. They're unlikeable. The romance is forced. There is no chemistry. The whole wheelchair-situation is stupid. And I'm really tired of seeing the usual 'DS9-gangsters-with-a-connection-to Quark'.


Final Grade
2/10
The first stinker after a remarkable long string of good episodes.
 
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This episode is garbage.
Correct!

And the disability-subtext doesn't work AT ALL, because she is not disabled, but comes from different enviromental conditions.
And the B-plot about Quark is so bad, I don't want to waste my time talking about it...
Arguably, disability only makes sense in context. If everyone made signs with their hands, would deafness be a problem?
 
"Meloras physical appereance makes no sense whatsoever. Why on earth should she have the same physique as a human?"

You're right, but DS9 is also a TV series that has to be filmed in Hollywood in 1993. They probably called Central Casting asking for a beautiful actress with 6 foot long arms and legs and came up emptyhanded...

Didn't Melora voluntarily accept the surgery? I didn't think it was forced on her. But it's been a while since I watched it.

What are the minimum physical requirements for Starfleet? Vulcans and Klingons have been established as much stronger than humans. Should they be able to make a rule that humans can't be in Starfleet? Melora isn't disabled, she's normal for her species. She doesn't bring the strength of humans, but perhaps makes up for it in different ways. If they ever have a mission in a microgravity situation, she'd be priceless.
 
This episode is garbage.
Correct!

And the disability-subtext doesn't work AT ALL, because she is not disabled, but comes from different enviromental conditions.
And the B-plot about Quark is so bad, I don't want to waste my time talking about it...
Arguably, disability only makes sense in context. If everyone made signs with their hands, would deafness be a problem?
If you were turning your back on a fast moving car it would.
 
"Meloras physical appereance makes no sense whatsoever. Why on earth should she have the same physique as a human?"

You're right, but DS9 is also a TV series that has to be filmed in Hollywood in 1993. They probably called Central Casting asking for a beautiful actress with 6 foot long arms and legs and came up emptyhanded...

Didn't Melora voluntarily accept the surgery? I didn't think it was forced on her. But it's been a while since I watched it.

What are the minimum physical requirements for Starfleet? Vulcans and Klingons have been established as much stronger than humans. Should they be able to make a rule that humans can't be in Starfleet? Melora isn't disabled, she's normal for her species. She doesn't bring the strength of humans, but perhaps makes up for it in different ways. If they ever have a mission in a microgravity situation, she'd be priceless.
Should they dumb down the exams so that even the Packleds could get in? After all they are normal for their species, aren't they?
 
This episode is garbage.
Correct!

And the disability-subtext doesn't work AT ALL, because she is not disabled, but comes from different enviromental conditions.
And the B-plot about Quark is so bad, I don't want to waste my time talking about it...
Arguably, disability only makes sense in context. If everyone made signs with their hands, would deafness be a problem?
If you were turning your back on a fast moving car it would.
Plenty of people who have adequately hearing will nonetheless be struck by cars. Those numbers will likely rise should electric cars become more common. In that case, maybe echolocation might save them, but being without echolocation would not, in context, be considerd a disability.
 
"Meloras physical appereance makes no sense whatsoever. Why on earth should she have the same physique as a human?"

You're right, but DS9 is also a TV series that has to be filmed in Hollywood in 1993. They probably called Central Casting asking for a beautiful actress with 6 foot long arms and legs and came up emptyhanded...

Didn't Melora voluntarily accept the surgery? I didn't think it was forced on her. But it's been a while since I watched it.

What are the minimum physical requirements for Starfleet? Vulcans and Klingons have been established as much stronger than humans. Should they be able to make a rule that humans can't be in Starfleet? Melora isn't disabled, she's normal for her species. She doesn't bring the strength of humans, but perhaps makes up for it in different ways. If they ever have a mission in a microgravity situation, she'd be priceless.

Hey kkt!

Interesting points, I'm trying to answer them:

1. Budget is a bitch. There's a reason why we don't see many strange, new, alien worlds, but mostly the insides of caves on strange, new, alien worlds. But budget should never stop a series from making sense. There are myriad ways to go around, from making her a TOS-like energy being to having wing-like prosthetics on her arms.

2. Yeah, she did accept the surgery on her own. But Julian was very persuasive about it, especially when she was about to change her mind.

3. Well, a human on a klingon/vulcan ship would certainly be the disadvantaged one (like Geordi on TNG). But he would still be able to perform all operations and physical requirements on par with the crew and work as part of the team.

But do you remember these guys? The Xindi aquatics from Enterprise:

Xindi-Aquatic.jpg


I highly doubt a human would be allowed in their astronaut corps, even with a diving-suit. Same goes for Melora.


What I would have done:
First of all, there is a good story hidden inside this episode. One that was even alluded to by Jadzia in the Runabout: Make it a love story where the two can't breath the same air. Have a distant starship make a medical distress call. And Bashir leads the female captain of this ship through the medical procedure to help the sick crewmember, all over radio communication. Then have them talk afterwards. Have them build a 'skype-relationship'. And then, when they meet for the first time, let them realize they don't breathe the same gas, and they could never see and touch each other in person, because one of them must always wear a space-suit.

And make another story about a former Starfleet officer, who had a terrible accident and is now in a wheelchair. Who still wants to accomplish stuff, maybe has a new project that leads him to DS9. And the crew themselves being highly considerate and helpful about it, but don't realize that this person, in a wheelchair, is actually pretty capable of doing things on her own.

Again, people who can't fall in love because of the enviroment is interesting. Dealing with disabilities is not only interesting, but something that is way too rarely addressed in our culture. The big problem of this episode is that they merged both these storys, and wound up hurting both of them.

And the horrible acting. And horrible dialogue. And the horrible Quark story. But there is no way to improve that.
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Correct!


Arguably, disability only makes sense in context. If everyone made signs with their hands, would deafness be a problem?
If you were turning your back on a fast moving car it would.
Plenty of people who have adequately hearing will nonetheless be struck by cars. Those numbers will likely rise should electric cars become more common. In that case, maybe echolocation might save them, but being without echolocation would not, in context, be considerd a disability.

I used to live in a big city where taking the subway was often much more practical than taking your car but I live on the countryside now and even though it's very nice and invigorating, I must say that without a car, since everything is so far far away, I'd feel a bit disabled.
 
If you were turning your back on a fast moving car it would.
Plenty of people who have adequately hearing will nonetheless be struck by cars. Those numbers will likely rise should electric cars become more common. In that case, maybe echolocation might save them, but being without echolocation would not, in context, be considerd a disability.

I used to live in a big city where taking the subway was often much more practical than taking your car but I live on the countryside now and even though it's very nice and invigorating, I must say that without a car, since everything is so far far away, I'd feel a bit disabled.

And I always thought that public transportation was not instrinsic to an individual. Learn something new ...
 
Plenty of people who have adequately hearing will nonetheless be struck by cars. Those numbers will likely rise should electric cars become more common. In that case, maybe echolocation might save them, but being without echolocation would not, in context, be considerd a disability.

I used to live in a big city where taking the subway was often much more practical than taking your car but I live on the countryside now and even though it's very nice and invigorating, I must say that without a car, since everything is so far far away, I'd feel a bit disabled.

And I always thought that public transportation was not instrinsic to an individual. Learn something new ...

What's that got to do with what I said? Do you know what "intrinsic" means or would you like me to explain? I'd be happy to oblige, anything to smooth our... strained internet exchanges.
 
I used to live in a big city where taking the subway was often much more practical than taking your car but I live on the countryside now and even though it's very nice and invigorating, I must say that without a car, since everything is so far far away, I'd feel a bit disabled.

And I always thought that public transportation was not instrinsic to an individual. Learn something new ...

What's that got to do with what I said? Do you know what "intrinsic" means or would you like me to explain? I'd be happy to oblige, anything to smooth our... strained internet exchanges.

I don't feel any need to critique your every statement. If you provide a flippant response, I will return the favor.
 
And I always thought that public transportation was not instrinsic to an individual. Learn something new ...

What's that got to do with what I said? Do you know what "intrinsic" means or would you like me to explain? I'd be happy to oblige, anything to smooth our... strained internet exchanges.

I don't feel any need to critique your every statement. If you provide a flippant response, I will return the favor.
Oh really! My statement wasn't a critique, it was a simple statement of fact about myself. Yours was a snide comment,to say nothing about irrelevant. How can you pretend "returning" anything when you're the one starting things up?

If think it best to ignore you from now on, and that's what I will do after this.
 
What's that got to do with what I said? Do you know what "intrinsic" means or would you like me to explain? I'd be happy to oblige, anything to smooth our... strained internet exchanges.

I don't feel any need to critique your every statement. If you provide a flippant response, I will return the favor.
Oh really! My statement wasn't a critique, it was a simple statement of fact about myself. Yours was a snide comment,to say nothing about irrelevant. How can you pretend "returning" anything when you're the one starting things up?

If think it best to ignore you from now on, and that's what I will do after this.

Do you really think comparing disability with small town life is taking the topic seriously? Indeed, it should be considered insulting. Now, if you want to understand how deafness (and other disabilities) are often exacerbated by cultural context, there are plenty of scholars--PhDs, MDs, and JDs--who mull over this issue. If you don't understand social intelligence, and how it relates to other forms of intelligence, you may also find some other source to explain it to you.

To the OP: I apologize if I have contributed to the hijacking of this thread. I value your contributions to the episode, and I have enjoying responding with my own thoughts. If you feel that my contributions have been disruptive, I will happily refrain from commenting. I deeply hope you continue with your reviews.
 
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