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First-time "Alien" watch... some questions...

I like Predator 2, if nothing else it continues the fine tradition of Bill Paxton
being offed by Hollywood monsters. Terminator-check, Aliens- Check, PRedator-Check! :lol:

To be honest all I wanted from Predators was it to be as good as P2, but actually it surpassed my expectations and is probably the second best Predator film for me now.

The first AVP is actually a better film than it had any right to be, it at least tries to be inventive in places, but its just so bloodless.
 
I hear the chick from the Stieg Larsson films (Girl with the Dragon Tattoo/Played with Fire/Kicked the Hornets Nest) is up for the role of a young Ripley...
 
Finally watched Aliens. Wow. Maybe the most intense movie I've ever seen.

Now HERE is an intelligent and discerning film viewer!

Don't feel any desire to continue on, though. Ripley deserves her happy ending, and I've seen enough of the creatures.

Good for you!

Would you please care to share a more in depth review of one of the greatest SF/action films of all time? It's so rare for us old timers to hear of an "Aliens" newbie and personally, your thoughts would be fascinating to me.

For instance - how does the actual LOOK of the film hold up for you, since it is now 26 years old? Does it still look good? If it does, do you feel this may be due in part to no CGI?
 
Finally watched Aliens. Wow. Maybe the most intense movie I've ever seen.

Now HERE is an intelligent and discerning film viewer!

Don't feel any desire to continue on, though. Ripley deserves her happy ending, and I've seen enough of the creatures.
Good for you!

Would you please care to share a more in depth review of one of the greatest SF/action films of all time? It's so rare for us old timers to hear of an "Aliens" newbie and personally, your thoughts would be fascinating to me.

For instance - how does the actual LOOK of the film hold up for you, since it is now 26 years old? Does it still look good? If it does, do you feel this may be due in part to no CGI?

24. It came out in 1986. Next year is the silver jubilee.
 
Yeah, I remember - I was there. Just a maths brain fart on this lovely Sunday morning. I saw the number "86" in my mind and for some reason just thought "26 years".
 
Yeah, I remember - I was there. Just a maths brain fart on this lovely Sunday morning. I saw the number "86" in my mind and for some reason just thought "26 years".

Don't worry.

What's worse; you getting the date wrong by two years or me pointing it out that you got it wrong by two years and clearly required me to do so.

:D
 
It's so rare for us old timers to hear of an "Aliens" newbie and personally, your thoughts would be fascinating to me.
I'll try. :) Watching both movies was equally fascinating to me, in terms of seeing the inspiration for so much sci-fi since - from Starcraft's shuttle operator saying "we're in for some chop" to Avatar's cryo to shades of Trek's Borg infestation.


For instance - how does the actual LOOK of the film hold up for you, since it is now 26 years old? Does it still look good? If it does, do you feel this may be due in part to no CGI?
1. I was surprised to find that after the 2.35:1 Alien, Aliens was 16:9. I was initially disappointed, but while it looks less epic, 16:9 does give a more "you are there" feeling, which works great.


2. While I was a bit disappointed to see people walking around the planet without bio-suits in Aliens (I know, terraforming and all, and I got used to it, but still), I thought both movies looked fantastic - especially the exo-suits, which I couldn't fathom until listening to the commentary!

I very rarely have complaints with modern big-budget CG. The Last Starfighter's ships looked fake, the Scorpion King from Mummy Returns could have been better and the Arnold T4 "cameo" was impressive but not photorealistic, but that's about it. I'm pretty forgiving about that sort of stuff, particularly given the expanded scope it's given movies overall.

Also, lots of people say CG is distractingly fake, but I often think the same of models. When I see Aliens' exosuit, for instance, I say, wow, that's totally believable. How did they do it? So, I'm taken out of the story either way. The art of the script and acting is the important thing.

That said, I hardly think that the film could be at all improved, image-wise. Though I love modern digital color grading, it was awesome to revisit the era before lighting and hues became so wonderfully precise, and the relative lack of contrast may even make the movie more unsettling now than when it was made.

The key feature of CG, imo, is that it allows the impossible to be done so convincingly. The benefits are obvious - Gollum, Iron Man, Davy Jones, etc. The downside is that it's elbowed out nearly everything else. Unlike Lord of the Rings, Aliens doesn't need CG because its humans are just plain humans. So CG isn't the problem, the problem is that not enough big-budget, A-list action movies about regular humans are being made. Case in point: Indy, so human in Raiders, takes a dozen or so ferocious hits to the face in Skull, and doesn't look any worse for it - L&S forgot that Indy isn't Kryptonian. (Which gives me a great opportunity to give my beloved The Mummy a shout-out - it's thrilling because the humans are human, and don't do any egregiously unbelievable stunts!)

I am, after all, one who not only believes that the SW PT should have been made at the technical level of the OT, but in black and white, too. But, I wouldn't change the CG prominence of Trek XI. (The tone being a somewhat different matter.) Because the PT was meant to precede the OT, whereas Trek is expected to evolve with the times, somewhat regardless of when the stories are actually set.

Bottom line: lots of the technical aspects of Aliens looked fake, especially the obviously plaster alien infestation stuff. But I loved it anyways for its artistic quality, just as I loved Iron Man 2 for its artistic quality amidst obviously CG effects.

AND: Would I like to see Cameron refurbish the movie's effects with new CG? Hell, no! Would I like to see a masterful theatrical 3D conversion? Hell, yes! ;)


3. I really hope Scott doesn't explain the alien ship or the Space Jockey. I'm all for expanding universes, but some things - such as Yoda's origins or how Superman shaves - are best left to the imagination. Also, I agree with Weaver's recent comments that trying to make a "new Ripley" is kind of lame - I love the Ripley character, of course, but why not have a different, even male protagonist, next time?

I'd most like to see a post-Aliens movie that ignores all but the first two movies and shows us a totally different aspect of the universe, with a similar look and feel, but a different kind of story, maybe well without the Aliens at all. Of course, that does pretty well describe Avatar.
 
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I'd like to add I really enjoy watching Aliens because of all the references to the first Halo game and the Halo franchise in general.

Oh wait, it's the other way round - still, I enjoy it, and mostly for that reason. ;):p

Actually I'd say the book Starship Troopers is probably the biggest influence over Aliens, Halo, the lot. Cameron's tech still stands up though and I think Alien/Aliens still convinces all these years later.

Yeah retcon the series so Alien 3 never happened, it and 4 were just the dreams Ripley/Newt had on the way home. Or have a post 4 sequal where Ripley and Cal take the Serenity back to solve the mystery of the derelict
 
I was surprised to find that after the 2.35:1 Alien, Aliens was 16:9. I was initially disappointed, but while it looks less epic, 16:9 does give a more "you are there" feeling, which works great.

It was to do with the film stock they decided to shoot with (which was native 1.85:1) and was new to the market, however after filming with it realised it was actually pretty poor, and the stock was eventually pulled from the market in 1987.
 
Gaith - what is the "exosuit" you are referring to? If you mean the pwerloader, there was a very large, strong man standing BEHIND SW who was actually doing the "heavy lifting", so to speak. There's actually a really funny story about him on the DVD.

Also - what do you mean obvious plaster set work? Nothing looks llike obvious plaster to me.
 
1. Aye, I'm listening to the commentary now. Would never have guessed the man-behind-the-suit thing. Amazing.

2. The exterior of the derelict in the few closeup shots, as well as some of the infested power station interiors. They're not horrible, but they're not completely convincing either.
 
I'd like to add I really enjoy watching Aliens because of all the references to the first Halo game and the Halo franchise in general.

Oh wait, it's the other way round - still, I enjoy it, and mostly for that reason. ;):p

Actually I'd say the book Starship Troopers is probably the biggest influence over Aliens, Halo, the lot.
Very true, Starship Troopers heavily influenced Aliens and, by proxy, the Halo universe in many respects.
 
What is Halo? I am not familiar with it.

A computer game where you play a soldier in a robotic spacesuit (like the 'power armour' of Starship Troopers)in a futuristic war. The geeks in The Big Bang Theory are huge fans, not least because you can play with and against other people, either sitting next to you or oceans away.

Interesting if you watch Future Weapons (with 'Mac') on Discovery, we really are starting to get into Aliens style technology
 
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