This is not about "reviving" any particular series; it's about remaining consistent with the widely recognized and already-established visual aesthetic of the "Prime Timeline" , which is by no means a "big ask".
First look at Klingons in 'Star Trek: Discovery'?
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While I'm okay with the Klingons having a new look, I'm still of the opinion that if you made them short and green with six legs, that would be problematic. Because what we have seen of Klingons over the past 50 years has some variance, but was still within a certain range of ideas.
But the quote above about an unfolding tapestry means that this project should still be able to be slotted into the Prime timeline (if that's really what they're doing). We will definitely see a different look to the bridge, uniforms, etc, but they should still fit the ideals we saw in The Cage.
In a Mirror, Darkly already showed us that the classic TOS aesthetic can still work in a modern production. While I can understand smoothing over some rough edges, I'm still hoping DSC will keep to basic concepts we've seen for this time period already.
The slight amount of the bridge we can see in the teaser shows a bridge that is nothing like the Cage. Touchscreens everywhere, low light levels, very blue and dark grey but modern styles, large structural supports dividing key areas.
The uniform take cues from TOS proper, but of greater detail and better materials, so yeah it's only using what little it needs to be Star Trek overall.
The uniform take cues from TOS proper, but of greater detail and better materials, so yeah it's only using what little it needs to be Star Trek overall.
IT'S. A. FUCKING. REBOOT!
That is a symptom of another issue I have with today's society in which people seem to look hard to be offended or insulted by something someone says or by something they see on TV or films.
Some people today seem to want to feel victimized, as if being offended or victimized is some badge of honor to wear: "Look at me...I'm offended, too!!"
I blame millennials -- or at least some of the more vociferous millennials -- for that attitude, but the attitude has spread to others.
Now I'm ashamed to be a millennial. 
I bet somebody's about to come along and say that it didn't work, and that the look should have been revamped instead of slavishly adhered to.
Ultimately, a lot of this stuff is a matter of taste and preference. Contemporary viewers just aren't used to the clean, smooth, future-modernist look of TOS, Forbidden Planet, et. al.
Kor
I bet somebody's about to come along and say that it didn't work, and that the look should have been revamped instead of slavishly adhered to.
Ultimately, a lot of this stuff is a matter of taste and preference. Contemporary viewers just aren't used to the clean, smooth, future-modernist look of TOS, Forbidden Planet, et. al.
Kor
Let's not make this about generational issues. There are 79 million millennials -- placing blame on that many people for a perceived problem of victimization is downright silly, not to mention statistically inaccurate.
EDIT: If you can't tell, I'm a millennial and I resent this kind of thinking. It's just utter nonsense. Every older generation always thinks the next generation is a bunch of whiners. It's actually ironic.
*sigh* the automatic go to for anything being wrong today. They'll be blamed for the ice ages next.
It was actually revamped quite significantly from the 1960's - for example, some of the computer screens were replaced with video screens, the banister and ceiling were properly rounded instead of segmented, and the texturing and materials were done up a bit too.I bet somebody's about to come along and say that it didn't work, and that the look should have been revamped instead of slavishly adhered to.
Check out Doug Drexler's facebook albums for details. Granted, all those 'updates' were done in a very subtle manner, using modern construction and modern aesthetics to inform and update the original look rather than replace it wholesale as in the reboot-films.
That's why I said "some of the more vociferous millennials", rather than blaming all millennials.
However, like it or not, there are attitudes and degrees of entitlement that are pervasive within a generation that can help define the generation as a whole. That's not the same as saying it defines each of the 79 million individual members of that generation. I have a daughter who is a millennial, and while I don't think that 'trying hard to be offended' attitude defines her, she does displays that attitude on occasion, being as much product of her generation than she is a product of her parents' generation.
For example, not all teenagers in the late 1960s and early 1970s were necessarily make-love-not-war flower-power liberals. However, those more liberal attitudes did help to define that generation as a whole.
I agree. We're watching ENT again for the first time in years to prepare for DSC and just got done with this arc. To me, the Augment and Augment Virus arcs were the most groan-worthy moments of the show. I never felt an explanation for ridgeless Klingons was necessary and prescribed to Gene's "imagine they always had ridges" directive; they simply updated the makeup with an interesting design for the big screen (a pretty common occurrence for tv-to-movie IP's).
If they have a plot-based reason to validate this new look, even better. The rumored ancient sleeper ship is such a cool sounding idea and could yield some very interesting story and character possibilities in how they interact with not just the crew of the Discovery, but also modern Klingons.
I'll be 54 next month, I've been watching Star Trek more than 40 years, and the last thing I want from Discovery is slavish adherence to the look and feel of BermanTrek. Or TOS for that matter.
Yes, that's your opinion and your reasoning for your opinion. You've said it before. I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree with you.
Yes, that's your opinion and your reasoning for your opinion. You've said it before. I understand what you're saying. I just don't agree with you.
This thread isn't about this subject, but suffice to say, when you paint your insults with broad brushstrokes, it's going to irritate people. Blaming millennials for basically every societal problem is a common refrain from previous generations and the media. There isn't an ounce of truth to any of it, because a group that size is so diverse that any general statements about it, even in limiting language like "lots" or "some" millennials, is bound to be false. The very concept of generations is just a nebulous box that makes it easy for bored journalists to write vapid thinkpieces and cranky uncles to complain about something at Thanksgiving dinner. There are plenty of whiners and people who feel sorry for themselves in every age group and demographic, it is by no means a phenomenon exclusive to young people.
Imagine how I feel being lumped in with the baby boomers. There was a minor effort years ago for people born in the early 1960s to be considered a lost generation, because we have little in common with the older boomers, but we're not a great fit with Gen X, either.
Funny, like I said it's your type of post that irritates me. If only we could discuss things without jumping all over each other. It's worse than discussing politics around here.
None of that really matters, Daxestablished through dialogue that the TOS look was basically a design trend of that time period, which is something that is backed up by Paris controlling the Delta Flyer over in Voyager using 50s B-movie style controls. The basic set-up of Trekhasnt changed from TOS right through, even if the styling of stuff changed with the times. There's simply no 'looks more advanced' as an argument, when you can build a computer keyboard that looks like its from the eighteenth century now, and still have it be functionally the same. TOS era tech came in black leather and silver, TNG era favoured grey, white and beige ceramics and polymers in appearance. It's not a knickers in a twist scenario. If the DSC Tricorders are all wrist mounted transparent Perspex, it really won't go against that established precedent.
I think the fact that they are possibly changing the Klingons is a good sign. I love Voyager and Enterprise, but I think at that point Trek was getting to stuck in the past, and Berman's TNG/Roddenberry style of Trek. I still found a lot to enjoy in those stories, but at the time TV was already starting to change and evolve, and Star Trek was basically staying the same. I do think they seemed like they were trying to do a few different things in the last couple seasons of Ent, but at that point it was to late.
The fact that they aren't afraid to do something as drastic as redesign or introduce new Klingons, says to me that we are finally going to be seeing people actually doing something different with the franchise and looking at it in a new way. This is something to franchise has needed for a long time, and I look forward to seeing how it turns out.
The fact that they aren't afraid to do something as drastic as redesign or introduce new Klingons, says to me that we are finally going to be seeing people actually doing something different with the franchise and looking at it in a new way. This is something to franchise has needed for a long time, and I look forward to seeing how it turns out.
If Sarek is an astrophysicist ten years prior to being one of the Federation's top diplomats, I'll have a hard time fitting that into the Prime timeline. Especially considering he was already working as an ambassador in "Yesteryear".
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