First look at Caesar from Rise of the Planet of the Apes

[Expo67]

QUOTE=23skidoo;5008748] Modern western society has become so obsessed with looking good that we have to project that obsession onto our movie screens.[/QUOTE]

In a sense, that is what the 1976 MGM post-apocalyptic science fiction classic Logan's Run tried to point out, with the 23rd Century society of those under thirty and the allegory behind the 'New You Shop'.

All that aside, Burton probably was making a swipe at the industry, concerning that issue.

It would have been better if he had used a different film, instead of re-making the 1968 classic, as a way of conveying that particular message.

 

[Expo67]

I definately like the 1968 movie. Not only was it an excellent science fiction adventure, it was also a serious social commentary/allegory on the times that it was released in. The late Sixties(especially 1968 as far as events were concerned)was definately a turning point for the entire world.

I can certainly relate to the character of Taylor, let alone empathize with his views on the state of humanity. While I do have extraordinary faith in the individual man(i.e. Christ, Ceasar,
Michelangelo, and other individuals), I, too, have very little expectations for Mankind as a species.

Loosely translated, group Man is nothing more than just a bunch of blithering idiots.

As far as the sequels are concerned, I totally concur with the late Charlton Heston when asked for his views on the sequels. The story had been told as far as the first film was concerned. Any furthur adventures would have been among the goddamn dirty apes. That turned out to be true in the end.

Artistically speaking, 20th Century Fox should have ended it with the first movie.

God knows we did not need Tim Burton's piece of shit remake. That cinematic abomination should never have happened.

What in the hell was Richard Zanuck and Tim Burton thinking?

Simple, they were not. They suffered from cranial rectitus when even considering to do that godawful remake.

I'm sensing that you didn't really like the Tim Burton movie.

Your senses are very accurate, Deckerd.

And I have a hunch that what happened ten years past is about to repeat itself with this next POTA film.

When it comes to the industry, some execs just don't learn from history. They are doomed(or in this case goddamned)to repeat themselves.

 

[Shatnertage]

All I'm going to say is that Taylor's "trial" in the first movie is about the best distillation of the graduate school experience I've ever seen on film. They really nailed it.

This one looks interesting. I'll probably Netflix it.

 

[Neroon]

Last chance, Expo67... you need to make use of that Multi-Quote function or the edit key... instead of doubling up on posts. Next time, it's an infraction.

 

[Silvercrest]

All I'm going to say is that Taylor's "trial" in the first movie is about the best distillation of the graduate school experience I've ever seen on film. They really nailed it.

I hope they aren't known for doing the "three monkeys" routine in grad school!

 

[Expo67]

Last chance, Expo67... you need to make use of that Multi-Quote function or the edit key... instead of doubling up on posts. Next time, it's an infraction.

Just how in the hell is that an infraction?

 

[Kelso]

Man, my anticipation for this film grows every time they release a new tidbit.

I love it when that happens.

They seem to have tested their new experimental brain-enhancement drug on about 400 very strong apes. What could possibly go wrong?

Apparently

Spoiler: How the apes get smart

Caesar finds out that his blood makes the other apes smarter. So he lets the other apes taste his blood.

The new trailer indicates that we were both wrong, thankfully.

 

[Mach5]

You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Will now become:

You Maniacs! You made the apes smart, and they blew you up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Well, shit...

 

[Neroon]

Last chance, Expo67... you need to make use of that Multi-Quote function or the edit key... instead of doubling up on posts. Next time, it's an infraction.

Just how in the hell is that an infraction?

Because it's spamming.
Because you have been told a couple of times already.

If you need to discuss this further, please use the PM function.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Will now become:

You Maniacs! You made the apes smart, and they blew you up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!

Well, shit...

As pointed out earlier in this thread, the continuity of the original movie has long been shot to shit.

 

[Mach5]

As pointed out earlier in this thread, the continuity of the original movie has long been shot to shit.

Discontinuity is one thing. Discarding the moral of the story is something different.

Nevertheless, this thing looks like it might be fun.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

My point is, the Apes rebelled before people blew it up based on previous movies.

 

[23skidoo]

The trailer looks impressive - I wonder if Caesar will talk; I bet that's probably being kept under wraps as a big reveal. I imagine the big deal the original films made about the first "intelligent" ape saying "No" to his human masters will be played with.

Some of the comments I've been seeing have been about how or if this fits into the continuity with the original films. As far as I'm concerned, the only connection is the font they're using for the title (which is probably a mistake). It's a brand-new story as far as I'm concerned - with some obvious parallels to Battle for the Planet of the Apes (or is that Conquest?).

I will say the CG apes are incredible in the brief snippets. If they hold up under scrutiny for longer scenes - especially if Caesar starts talking - then there's really no reason for them not to be able to insert a CG actor into a film and people not even realize he or she isn't real (the S1M0NE scenario).

Alex

 

[Warped9]

Well, the ending of the '68 film is ambiguous...and you really can't take the apes' version of history as fact. They called the "forbidden zone" as once being "a paradise." New York was a paradise??? In the eyes of apes??? Something tells me real history has been fudged and/or forgotten to suit the apes' perspective.

Who is to say that New York and much of the rest (and we only saw one small part of the planet) wasn't devastated in the ensuing struggle when the apes rose up and revolted?

 

[Kegg]

Discontinuity is one thing. Discarding the moral of the story is something different.

The moral of the original film is about the insanity of the nuclear arms race and mutually assured destruction. Heady stuff perhaps in '68, but not a very incisive critique of modern society.

If one wanted Rise to have meaning, it'd be best that meaning be relevant for today.

I will say the CG apes are incredible in the brief snippets. If they hold up under scrutiny for longer scenes - especially if Caesar starts talking - then there's really no reason for them not to be able to insert a CG actor into a film and people not even realize he or she isn't real (the S1M0NE scenario).

Frankly that question is not if, but when. I'm taking it as a given we'll eventually see films with photorealistic CGI actors that are indistinguishable from real people, but whether that happens in the next ten years or fifty I'm not inclined to guess.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The original POTA discarded or minimized most of what Boulle set out to comment on in his original novel in favor of some then-"relevant" moralizing, so there's no reason these filmmakers need be beholden to the subtext of the old movies.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

This trailer plays up the "monkeys amok" angle - ugh, not the right way to go. With closing in on 7B humans on this planet, a chimp revolt is hard to take seriously, even if they have brain power on par with George Bush or even better.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbCoDf44oCE[/yt]

 

[Expo67]

Unfortunately the computer I'm using is having some technical problems regarding the multi-quote button.

 

[Expo67]

Just how in the hell is that an infraction?

Because it's spamming.
Because you have been told a couple of times already.

If you need to discuss this further, please use the PM function.

You certainly have given the word spam new meaning(note the sarcasm).

The original POTA discarded or minimized most of what Boule set out to comment on in his original novel in favor of some then-"relevant" moralizing, so there's no reason these filmmakers need be beholden to the subtext of the old movies.

Not unless they want a repeat of the disaster that was man-made ten years past, with the 2001 remake.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

This trailer plays up the "monkeys amok" angle - ugh, not the right way to go.

Yes, it is.