Spoilers First hand behind the scenes information

[Timo]

Give the Klingons some credit here. Infiltration by clever surgery is centuries-old news at that point: surely there would be a rat race going on, with the Klingons winning some, losing some.

We know they have the better medical science anyway, because they don't waste it on the sick.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Michael]

I think I'm gonna start a new drinking game where I take a shot every time designers of a modern Star Trek production shit on the TOS sets by calling them cardboard.

Never understood those kind of comments either. Nothing on the Original Series sets looks anything like cardboard. Seems like such a cheap shot at the show.

Lorca probably wanted to get home as soon as possible, that’s why he kept pushing the crew. Having eye surgery would have taken up valuable time, plus he was intending to go home and didn’t see a reason to change.

He was in such a hurry to get back home that he took the time to start his extensive weird ass collection of alien weapons and carcasses.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Never understood those kind of comments either. Nothing on the Original Series sets looks anything like cardboard. Seems like such a cheap shot at the show.


He was in such a hurry to get back home that he took the time to start his extensive weird ass collection of alien weapons and carcasses.

He went on an eBay binge one night while looking for a tribble bed.

 

[Timo]

...So, behind the scenes...

Is the presence of Time Crystals in the opening credits ever since "The Vulcan Hello" due to an overarching plan, drawn in 2017 already, to have the ship travel to other times with the help of those crystals?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

...So, behind the scenes...

Is the presence of Time Crystals in the opening credits ever since "The Vulcan Hello" due to an overarching plan, drawn in 2017 already, to have the ship travel to other times with the help of those crystals?

Timo Saloniemi

I doubt it.
Crystals are such a multipurpose plot device in Sci-if, you can fit them to almost anything.
Up till now I just interpreted them as dilithium.

 

[Rahul]

I assumed Lorca didn't want the operation, because then it would come to light his vision deficiency is not from an accident, but biological.

Overall, this isn't a huge problem (Georgiou got operated is a perfectly reasonable explanation) - but it still shows structural problems in the longterm planning of the show: This was a big deal that lead to a big reveal - they shouldn't just forget about it ten episodes later. They even mentioned Spocks' changing facial hair. This is a bigger deal. It shows that the writers never really treated that new MU-eyesight as a serious part of their world, and forgot about it faster than the average viewer. Which makes the whole "shocking" reveal feel even more like a narrative asspull than before.

 

[Timo]

I doubt it.
Crystals are such a multipurpose plot device in Sci-if, you can fit them to almost anything.
Up till now I just interpreted them as dilithium.

Sure. But there's no dilithium in any DSC episode, and the time crystals (on Boreth, even if not after refined, powered-up, whatever) are the first Trek ones with the green hue we see in the opening credits... Whereas dilithium in Trek doesn't have that hue, but tends to be reddish instead, a color otherwise prominent in the opening credits art. It's curiously specific a match. Is all.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Rahul]

...So, behind the scenes...

Is the presence of Time Crystals in the opening credits ever since "The Vulcan Hello" due to an overarching plan, drawn in 2017 already, to have the ship travel to other times with the help of those crystals?

Timo Saloniemi

I doubt it.
Crystals are such a multipurpose plot device in Sci-if, you can fit them to almost anything.
Up till now I just interpreted them as dilithium.

In the beginning, they were pretty open about them being dilithium crystals in the new opening.

I guess when they were writing in the season and needed a McGuffin for time-travel - they were actually pretty clever, and used a McGuffin they already had - the time-crystals from the timeloop episode. And then, in another clever thought, modeled them after the crystals in the opening, to create even more of a connection.

Yes, that's making it up as they go along. But it's also pretty clever to use existing elements.
The one thing that gives this away - the time crystals that Harry Mudd used looked NOTHING like the crystals in the opening of season 2. Indicating they retrofitted that new design later on during production.

 

[Noname Given]

I can't decide which is worse? That they thought folks would by that plot point, or that some folks actually did.

IDK - I got sick and tired of TNG's 'magic' sensors that could detect anything (even stuff characters stated wasn't detectable with a standard scan. IMO - it makes sense that cultures of nearly equal tech CAN find a way to fool each other's detection devices. Nothing is foolproof.

 

[BillJ]

IDK - I got sick and tired of TNG's 'magic' sensors that could detect anything (even stuff characters stated wasn't detectable with a standard scan. IMO - it makes sense that cultures of nearly equal tech CAN find a way to fool each other's detection devices. Nothing is foolproof.

I think when you're sawing through bones, like we saw in the flashbacks, it should be fairly easy to detect. YMMV.

 

[Rahul]

I think when you're sawing through bones, like we saw in the flashbacks, it should be fairly easy to detect. YMMV.

Yeah, totally agreed. TNG's sensors mostly weren't magic for the stuff they could or couldn't do - it was the fact that they did things (like MRI) that nowadays needs huuuge rooms and machinery, but only being a handheld device.

If Ash's transformation happened really as shown - with bone-saws and surgery (and that not being just a "visualisation" of a futuristic DNA-altering magic machine), he wouldn't get through a standardized medical examination today without being busted.

Much less a futuristic one with much better technology, which they hopefully would do, if somehow a prisoner magically survives for month in a prison of a species that otherwise don't make prisoners. Like - him being a turncoat should have been the first thing to check for, especially in a universe with cloaking devices and shape shifters. Not the last. And that it wasn't adressed how his transformation was so special it wasn't detected was a huge oversight in the writing department.

 

[DaveyNY]

Whoever did the scan could have chalked Tyler's internal injuries up to Klingon Torture.
They'd probably have been more surprised and amazed that he actually survived, than thinking about it being some kind of deception.

 

[Mudd]

Whoever did the scan could have chalked Tyler's internal injuries up to Klingon Torture.

Yeah, bullshit.

 

[DaveyNY]

Yeah, bullshit.

Oh?
The Klingons made his insides look exactly like an Earth Human complete with Tyler's own DNA.
That plus the fact that he was a prisoner of war in a society that relishes extremely torturing their enemies to get information, would be the foremost factor in any medical exam given upon his return.
Thus any damage and/or scarring internal or otherwise, would be expected and most likely ignored beyond the medical aspects of it.
The staff doing that exam, would only be checking for the subject's viability to remain functional as a Star Fleet Officer and his continued health beyond.
Unless otherwise instructed by higher-ups, they would not be doing the type of exams that might possibly indicate something else was amiss.
Also, remember that the commanding officer who was vouching for Tyler was someone also hiding his "differences" from people, so there'd be no reason for Lorca to insist on more probing exams.

 

[BillJ]

The Klingons made his insides look exactly like an Earth Human complete with Tyler's own DNA.

This made so little sense it is mind-boggling. If they had Tyler, why not simply transfer Voq's consciousness over to him? I mean they had to somehow completely redo his brain so it would look human.

 

[Kor]

Yeah, I try not to think too much about that whole plot point.

Kor

 

[The Wormhole]

Whoever did the scan could have chalked Tyler's internal injuries up to Klingon Torture.
They'd probably have been more surprised and amazed that he actually survived, than thinking about it being some kind of deception.

Oh?
The Klingons made his insides look exactly like an Earth Human complete with Tyler's own DNA.
That plus the fact that he was a prisoner of war in a society that relishes extremely torturing their enemies to get information, would be the foremost factor in any medical exam given upon his return.
Thus any damage and/or scarring internal or otherwise, would be expected and most likely ignored beyond the medical aspects of it.
The staff doing that exam, would only be checking for the subject's viability to remain functional as a Star Fleet Officer and his continued health beyond.
Unless otherwise instructed by higher-ups, they would not be doing the type of exams that might possibly indicate something else was amiss.
Also, remember that the commanding officer who was vouching for Tyler was someone also hiding his "differences" from people, so there'd be no reason for Lorca to insist on more probing exams.

Thing is, what about the things that gave Darvin away? Things like irregular heartbeat and body temperature? These are things McCoy picked up with a simple tricorder, while Tyler was scanned by one of Starfleet's most advanced shipboard medical computers at least twice without anything being noticed, and it wasn't until the third time that something was picked up that warranted "further investigation" at which point Tyler kills Culber. And to make things worse, the writers tried to claim Tyler underwent the same process as Darvin, so how does a medical computer aboard a science ship repurposed for combat somehow miss a patient's irregular heartbeat and body temperature twice when someone with a tricorder can pick up on these things right away?

To say nothing of the fact that Tyler was obviously never in Lorca's ready room or else Lorca's pet tribble should have exposed him right there and then. Just how likely is it that Lorca never had one of his department heads in the ready room?

 

[F. King Daniel]

Starfleet give no fucks. They let unstable lunatics command Starships. They don't notice officers full of Klingon organs.

Imagine the lawsuits.

 

[The Wormhole]

That's true. Lorca murdered the crew of the Buran and admitted to it in his official report, and what does Starfleet do? They give him command of the fleet's most important wartime asset and give him carte blanche to decide which orders he wants to follow..

 

[TrickyDickie]

the time crystals that Harry Mudd used looked NOTHING like the crystals in the opening of season 2.

Those were time crystals from under someone else's bed.