First Contact Enterprise vs. Nemesis Enterprise

[Computer]

Hello Everyone,

I have seen talk on these boards before about the Enterprise-E being modified in films after First Contact but never heard that details so I have a few questions (for sanity sake ill number them)

1. Did they add the 2 decks visually so that in can be seen in the shape of the vessle or just on screen reference?

2. Did they do away with the Holo-Wall/View Screen concept after FC?

3. Was the Captains Yaht part of the ship in FC? If so wasnt the torpedo launcher attatched to it?

4. Did they change the color of the Enterprise? the FC one appeared to be much darker than the later versions.

5. Wasnt the main shuttle bay on the star drive section like the Enterprise-A had in FC?

Any input would be greatly appreciated, and please feel free to list other details of the differences i may have missed.

 

[Lek]

I forget which movie, but I remember watching an extra that the E's bridge had more of a red tone in one movie and more bllue neon effect in another.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Computer said:
1. Did they add the 2 decks visually so that in can be seen in the shape of the vessle or just on screen reference?

The shape of the ship wasn't altered to make it seem like more decks were added, so we either have to assume that 1.) John Logan pulled a number out of his ass and nobody bothered to fact-check him, or 2.) there was a refit that resulted in some sort of rearrangement of the ship's internal volume without changing the exterior.

2. Did they do away with the Holo-Wall/View Screen concept after FC?

Yes.

3. Was the Captains Yaht part of the ship in FC? If so wasnt the torpedo launcher attatched to it?

Yes, and yes. The Captain's Yacht was always supposed to be there, but in the real world, there was no thought given to its placement until the Insurrection script called for us to see it. The quantum torpedo launcher is used again in Nemesis, so it obviously still works even with the shuttle there.

4. Did they change the color of the Enterprise? the FC one appeared to be much darker than the later versions.

They might have. It could also have been the way the ship was rendered; FC was done by ILM, and was a physical model in at least some of the shots. INS and NEM used CGI models (except for the close-up of the saucer in the Scimitar crash, which used an oversized model of that section of the ship), and both of those films had their effects done by different companies (Blue Sky/VIFX for INS, Digital Domain for NEM).

5. Wasnt the main shuttle bay on the star drive section like the Enterprise-A had in FC?

The Enterprise-E was always meant to have two shuttlebays, one in the saucer behind the bridge, and the other in the fantail like the TOS and movie Enterprise. The only one we've actually seen in use was the main shuttlebay in the saucer.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Lek said:
I forget which movie, but I remember watching an extra that the E's bridge had more of a red tone in one movie and more bllue neon effect in another.

That's due at least in part to them changing the color scheme of the LCARS displays from a predominantly orange one in FC and INS to a predominantly blue one in NEM.

 

[Tomalak]

Computer said:
4. Did they change the color of the Enterprise? the FC one appeared to be much darker than the later versions.

Funny, I thought the opposite. In FC, it looks almost white in the Earth orbit scenes - the spacewalk etc. It's presumably down to lighting.

 

[Computer]

Tomalak said:

Computer said:
4. Did they change the color of the Enterprise? the FC one appeared to be much darker than the later versions.

Funny, I thought the opposite. In FC, it looks almost white in the Earth orbit scenes - the spacewalk etc. It's presumably down to lighting.

Come to think of it your right, but i recall the first scene we ever see Enterprise-E as shes infront of a nebula and the ship almost looks black.

 

[WalkinMan]

The lighting makes a big difference...

 

[CoveTom]

^ ILM is brilliant in many respects, but I've never thought they knew how to light an Enterprise minature. I suppose I'm spoiled by what Doug Trumbull did in TMP.

 

[USS Valkyrie]

The entire shape of the ship was changed for Nemesis.

 

[Charles Trip Tucker III]

cardinal biggles said:

Computer said:
1. Did they add the 2 decks visually so that in can be seen in the shape of the vessle or just on screen reference?

The shape of the ship wasn't altered to make it seem like more decks were added, so we either have to assume that 1.) John Logan pulled a number out of his ass and nobody bothered to fact-check him

Bingo.

USS Valkyrie said:
The entire shape of the ship was changed for Nemesis.

No, it didn't. They changed the warp nacelle pylons and added a few minor details like extra torpedo launchers for example. The shape of the hull did not change. The ship is 24 decks thick. During the movie, you see a close up image of the cross section at the back of the bridge. Pause, and you can count 24 decks. Either there was a typo, Logan got the wrong information, or Logan didn't care.

 

[Computer]

If anyone can find some FC and NEM comparison shots please post them.

 

[Matt]

Wow, I didn't know they used a model for the ramming scene.

Obviously a ton of CG compositing over top of it, though.

 

[StewMc]

Matt said:
Wow, I didn't know they used a model for the ramming scene.

Yep, infact one of the unused models for the crash sequence appears in the background in one of the Arctic scenes in the Enterprise episode "Regeneration".

 

[Colonel Midnight]

Didn't TPTB change the shape of the "whaleback"/hump or whatever you want to call it for NEM as well?

Cheers,
-CM-

 

[StewMc]

There's a couple of images on this page (under Sovereign class) that document the changes (one by John Eaves, one by a fan).

 

[Charles Trip Tucker III]

Try these two lins: Link 1 Link 2

 

[cardinal biggles]

^You'll have to copy and paste the URLs, because that site doesn't allow hotlinking.

 

[Computer]

Stew: Excllent link. Heres the comparison:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/sovereign-oldnew.jpg

the "Hump back" on the star drive to saucer section is clearly visible.

 

[cardinal biggles]

The only change they made in that area was to add some connecting pieces that made for a smoother, more unified connection between the saucer and engineering sections.

 

[ST-One]

Charles Trip Tucker III said:

cardinal biggles said:

Computer said:
1. Did they add the 2 decks visually so that in can be seen in the shape of the vessle or just on screen reference?

The shape of the ship wasn't altered to make it seem like more decks were added, so we either have to assume that 1.) John Logan pulled a number out of his ass and nobody bothered to fact-check him

Bingo.

USS Valkyrie said:
The entire shape of the ship was changed for Nemesis.

No, it didn't. They changed the warp nacelle pylons and added a few minor details like extra torpedo launchers for example. The shape of the hull did not change. The ship is 24 decks thick. During the movie, you see a close up image of the cross section at the back of the bridge. Pause, and you can count 24 decks. Either there was a typo, Logan got the wrong information, or Logan didn't care.

The deck-count was already wrong in First Contact.
So, it is quite probably just an in-joke.