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Finally saw the end of Heroes: Fugitives!

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It's only taken me one month prior to the start of volume five! I guess that's what a new baby does to you.

Well, I will agree with the main chorus and say the quality has dropped, and once again the season finale was a let down on multiple levels, but the new twist on Nathan Petrelli it looks like it might make for a more interesting storyline... well, until it gets dragged out and boring. It does however confine Adrian Pasdar or Zachary Quinto to about a season more, otherwise they'll be flogging a dead horse.

Unless someone has a power to 'split' people. :)

I still like it. It's one of those shows that I watch going forward and usually forget the past characterisations, so it doesn't worry me too much if one of them suddenly goes silly - like Claire reverting to Season 1 Claire after the eclipse.
 
It does however confine Adrian Pasdar or Zachary Quinto to about a season more, otherwise they'll be flogging a dead horse.
Yep - one or the other has got to go by the end of the year.

Unless someone has a power to 'split' people.
Oh oh! Have you been reading ahead? :D

Seriously, there are no spoilers I know about that - but it does seem pretty obvious, doesn't it? Nathan-Sylar meets Duplicate Lad, absorbs his powers, Nathan-Sylar fights Sylar-Sylar, and (my bet) Sylar-Sylar fights Peter in that Battle Royale they've promised us by implication, Sylar-Sylar looks like he's going to kill Peter and then Nathan-Sylar kills Sylar-Sylar, thus rendering himself permanently Nathanized, which means Sylar dies (for good! this time we're serious!!!)
I still like it.
Me too. The characters have me hooked, so I'll follow it all the way to MST3K-land. :D
 
Seriously, there are no spoilers I know about that - but it does seem pretty obvious, doesn't it? Nathan-Sylar meets Duplicate Lad, absorbs his powers, Nathan-Sylar fights Sylar-Sylar...

"Hey guys, lets emulate that scene from one of those Superman movies... you know where he splits in two and fights himself"
"Great!"
"I love it!"
 
That finale failed with basic internal continuity on one of the grandest scales I have ever seen. HRG/Noah, shot in the eye and killed last season only to be later revived by an injection of Claire's blood, conveniently forgets that and goes along with making Sylar think he is Nathan rather than saving the real Nathan? They could have still had Parkman wipe Sylar's mind and left him a drooling vegetable and then buried him (using Hiro's trick he pulled on Adam) to solve their villain problem. As soon as he ran out of air he would be dead until someone/thing dug him up. Or stuck him in a cell and then filled it with concrete like they did to Captain Jack on Torchwood. But no, they decide to reward Nathan's killer with Nathan's life. Rrrrrrreal smart. :rolleyes:
 
Personally I'm this close to giving up on the show. I'll possibly give the new season an episode or 2 before I give up though.
 
Is Claire's blood even a 100% compatible thing? How do we know it will work on anyone?
 
Well seeing as Nathan is her dad, I reckon he's compatable, certainly more than her adopted father, you would think.
 
Well seeing as Nathan is her dad, I reckon he's compatable, certainly more than her adopted father, you would think.
And more likely than Nathan being compatible with Adam. I mean it's not like they stopped to do blood tests either time, is it? So I think we can safely assume they're universal donors.
 
Seriously, there are no spoilers I know about that - but it does seem pretty obvious, doesn't it? Nathan-Sylar meets Duplicate Lad, absorbs his powers, Nathan-Sylar fights Sylar-Sylar...

"Hey guys, lets emulate that scene from one of those Superman movies... you know where he splits in two and fights himself"
"Great!"
"I love it!"

Ah, the movies were just imitating Triplicate Girl, introduced in 1961. (And I'd bet real money she was a ripoff of something previous to that.) :D

Of all the "major" superpowers Heroes has yet to address, splitting-into-multiples is one of the biggies. Which is why I expect it to pop up soon...

Is Claire's blood even a 100% compatible thing? How do we know it will work on anyone?

The bigger problem is that it's one of the biggest blunders the show has ever made - a real storykiller - so the best option is for the writers and us to forget the notion was ever introduced.
 
The show is too screwed up with all its bad writing for a course correction. It's time for the Heroes reboot. Who should we cast 10 years from now? :)

Michael Shanks as Noah Bennett? Terry O'Quinn as Arthur Petrelli? Michael Emerson as Sylar's dad? :p
 
I loved the finale and I think the Nathan/Sylar twist is one of the best things done on the show.

I preferred season 3 to season 1. Season 3 was a lot more focused on a main plot thread. Season 2 actually had an arc with the Shanti virus, but Exodus never came to fruition and had to be made into Villains (Sylar getting his powers back basically became the end of that arc). Season 2 was a victim of the writer's strike and certainly is overall the weakest season for it (that and too much time in feudal Japan). The focus going to the Bennets, Petrellis and Sylar was a good thing, IMO. They are ultimately the core that can't change. Niki was always the weak link in season 1, because her plot importance was basically only with Linderman and marginally with Nathan. Tracy is a lot more connected to the plot now. Micah improved when he got rid of the dead weight of his family and became Rebel. He was a bigger part of the plot of season 3 than Niki, D.L. and Micah ever were in season 1!

And I don't expect Sylar or Nathan to be going anywhere just yet. Or even at the end of the season. ;)

Sylar getting Claire's ability and wanting to have Nathan's life has been in play since the end of season 1. This IS the show's arc. Notice how every possible future has Sylar taking over the lives of the Petrellis or Bennets and becoming a better them than them? In one future, Sylar has become President Nathan, and in the other, Gabriel has become Holly Homemaker (or actually, he's become Noah--all he wants is to "protect [his] family") in the Bennet house and has Mr. Muggles and a son named Noah. Gabriel's story is deeply rooted in his obsessions with Noah, Nathan and Claire.

It makes the moment with Sylar fixing Danko's father's Soviet watch even more poignant. "That's the only one that was ever truly mine." He wants love and acceptance by becoming special--a result of his adoptive mother, not just by planning to become the only one left along with Claire--whom he can't kill and wants to keep around so he doesn't become his father, but by having what makes the Bennets and Petrellis special with a side-dish of revenge on Noah. Sylar going from a seemingly clear-cut villain (unfortunately, some viewers who like straightforward good vs. evil don't like that he didn't remain 2-dimensional) into a sort of a tragic figure of identity has been happening since season 1.

Sylar is just another face Gabriel put on to try to become special. Gabriel doesn't have any tangible ability that is his own and thus tries out other people's lives and abilities, trying to find what makes him special. It's why he goes berserk when he can't even keep his own identity straight with the shape-shifter. Being mixed up with Nathan, with Nathan's life and Nathan's memories is part of this identity crisis storyline--but this time, even though this is what he always wanted, it's forced on him. It gives context to "I want my body back." He gets what he wanted, but probably won't be happy about getting it in this way. It's just another example of Gabriel trying to become special with some else's identity and never being satisfied with it because it's not *him*.

And the "ordinary people" thing was never sustainable; it's something all the characters try for, but will never achieve again. That has been used in many franchises where characters realize that they are different from other people. That move from 'ordinary and in the world' to 'extraordinary and outside of it' comes with the territory.

As far as Claire's blood... Nathan had his throat cut and had already bled out. A transfusion can't get in your bloodstream if your neck is gaping. Also, apparently Noah wasn't completely dead, whereas Nathan entirely was. It's a matter of Claire's blood being able to heal the almost-dead, not the completely-dead. That's the official word, anyway.

Enough with the bashing.
 
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The show is too screwed up with all its bad writing for a course correction. It's time for the Heroes reboot. Who should we cast 10 years from now? :)

Michael Shanks as Noah Bennett? Terry O'Quinn as Arthur Petrelli? Michael Emerson as Sylar's dad? :p

You're going the wrong direction with the ages! They all would have to be about 12-25 years old now, a bit older for Noah and Angela perhaps.

A reboot isn't a bad idea, tho. Keep the same people and have Hiro do something extraordinarily nasty to the space-time continuum that resets everything to zero. Memories, characterization, the works.
Sylar getting Claire's ability and wanting to have Nathan's life has been in play since the end of season 1. This IS the show's arc.
That's Sylar's arc, kinda sorta. He did start out with his "core" being cripplingly envious of those he imagines have "important" lives and angry that his life is so "small" - which actually synched up well with the notion of him being a Petrelli - since it explains where the obsession comes from - but how does that fit in with his other "core," which is that he's really a nice guy with a terrible addiction problem? And then there's that third "core" that so many folks seem to like so much: Sylar as the simple, implacable psycho who just likes to kill.

The show doesn't really have an arc. You could point to Sylar's story or various others (Hiro's fitful attempts to grow the hell up, Claire's fitful attempts to stop being a brat, etc) but that's just because of a glaring absence of a real arc.

The obvious one for the show is "power corrupts." All the characters, whether good or evil or inbetween, think they can use their powers to do something either for other or themselves, but they are all wrong. They are too human to use power wisely and it will destroy them in the end. The show's arc could be one or more characters overcoming this obstacle through greater wisdom and maturity. But I've seen only vague hints that Kring is interested in this idea, and the other ideas have gone nowhere.
 
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As far as Claire's blood... Nathan had his throat cut and had already bled out. A transfusion can't get in your bloodstream if your neck is gaping.
Given that her blood is healing, the blood would heal the wound.
Also, apparently Noah wasn't completely dead, whereas Nathan entirely was. It's a matter of Claire's blood being able to heal the almost-dead, not the completely-dead. That's the official word, anyway.
So getting your brains blown out isn't "completely dead", but getting your throat slit is? Which causes more damage to the body and brain? Not to mention the fact that he resurrected HOURS after his death.
 
It's only taken me one month prior to the start of volume five! I guess that's what a new baby does to you.

Well, I will agree with the main chorus and say the quality has dropped, and once again the season finale was a let down on multiple levels, but the new twist on Nathan Petrelli it looks like it might make for a more interesting storyline... well, until it gets dragged out and boring. It does however confine Adrian Pasdar or Zachary Quinto to about a season more, otherwise they'll be flogging a dead horse.

Unless someone has a power to 'split' people. :)

I still like it. It's one of those shows that I watch going forward and usually forget the past characterisations, so it doesn't worry me too much if one of them suddenly goes silly - like Claire reverting to Season 1 Claire after the eclipse.

You could do what I did and pay a Haitian to leave you only with memories of Season 1.
 
^Peter went nuclear and still healed. I don't think Nathan's injuries were beyond Claire's regenerative healing at all.

In fact, since Sylar has Claire's ability, they could have used his blood too.
 
If anyone cares, Ernie Hudson is going to be on Heroes this season. Of course, considered how useless and meaningless of a role both Michael Dorn and Bruce Boxleiter had last year (at least The Greatest American Hero got a cool death scene!), it could be nothing.
 
That finale failed with basic internal continuity on one of the grandest scales I have ever seen. HRG/Noah, shot in the eye and killed last season only to be later revived by an injection of Claire's blood, conveniently forgets that and goes along with making Sylar think he is Nathan rather than saving the real Nathan?

The explanation the showrunners gave at conventions - never shown on screen, of course - was that Claire's blood can only heal a person once. Which is kind of a necessary retcon on that power, anyway - I mean, if healers' blood could cure all every time, Primatech would have been stockpiling Adam Monroe's blood for the past thirty years.
 
If anyone cares, Ernie Hudson is going to be on Heroes this season. Of course, considered how useless and meaningless of a role both Michael Dorn and Bruce Boxleiter had last year (at least The Greatest American Hero got a cool death scene!), it could be nothing.

I completely forgot Bruce was in it!

What happened to Nathan's body? Given how Angela likes to protect her offspring, it wouldn't surprise me if the body is on ice somewhere...
 
The explanation the showrunners gave at conventions - never shown on screen, of course - was that Claire's blood can only heal a person once. Which is kind of a necessary retcon on that power, anyway - I mean, if healers' blood could cure all every time, Primatech would have been stockpiling Adam Monroe's blood for the past thirty years.
Does that mean that her blood can only heal another person once in her entire life, or that her blood can only heal every person just once?
 
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