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Finally saw Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Plastic Skull

I can always get into a good Crystal Skull Bashing thread.

The film was completely fucking embarrassing.

I truly believe anyone who likes it is delusional or retarded.

Anyone who compares that movie (or agrees with that comparison) to rape is either delusional or retarded.
 
I can always get into a good Crystal Skull Bashing thread.

The film was completely fucking embarrassing.

I truly believe anyone who likes it is delusional or retarded.

Anyone who compares that movie (or agrees with that comparison) to rape is either delusional or retarded.

rape 1 (rāp) Pronunciation Key
n.
The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
To seize and carry off by force.
To plunder or pillage.
 
Great. Another Indy 4 bash thread.

I liked the film. It was fun. Some people will like it. Others will not.

I truly believe anyone who likes it is delusional or retarded.

Real mature. Honestly...get over yourself; it's a damn movie.

2. So how exactly were a band of Soviet KGB running around 1950s red-scare America on military installations with little to no resistence? Again, past Indy films always kept one leg in the real world. Also, I don't think gunpowder is magnetic.

3. Why does Area 51, which was holding the warehouse of priceless and dangerous items, have little to no military security?

If you bothered to pay attention, you would have heard the soldier at the beginning explain that most of the base personnel were evacuated because of the bomb test. This is why the Russians went when they did, because the base was going to virtually empty.

4. Back to the physics issue - while the nuclear detonation scene was interesting (great nuke cloud btw), the idea that a human being could hide in a lead-lined refrigerator, get flung hundreds of feet at a great velocity, and get out with little to no trouble except a quick shower, is about as believable had Lucas and Spielberg showed the fridge getting picked up by a tornado and dropped into Oz.
It's about as realistic as someone holding onto a submarine for the entire length of a journey from Egypt to a deserted island in the Aegean Sea. Or about as realistic as opening a raft in midair for three people and landing perfectly on a mountain side (and them falling off the mountain and landing safely in the river below). I'm sorry, since when did Indiana Jones films become realistic?

5. The intro segment was not the traditional Indy intros. It just dumped us unceremoniously into the plot with little to no mystery or dramatic build-up. Thanks Lucas for your usual connect the plot-dots writing.
You mean he...GASP!...did something different?!!

6. Plot dead-end: We actually had one serious scene about Indy's colleague quitting over the issue of how Indy gets treated by the FBI. Nothing was ever addressed about this afterwords. Why even have the scene?
While they did drop this aspect of the story when they got into the who Crystal Skull aspect, it was probably done to show the seriousness of the situation. The character did return by the end, suggesting that he got his job back.

7. Minor anachronism: Mutt Williams was a 'greaser' but had no greasy hair. Am I the only one who noticed this?
There are LOTS of anachronisms in the Indy films. Indy's satchel for one.

8. The main plot - someone tell me why Indy and co. spent their time running from the Russians, since the Russians had the exact same goal. Indy already knows from experience that nothing good will come for the Russians, so why run from them to start with?
I don't know what you mean exactly. He ditched the Russians at the beginning because, well, they were Russians. With the Crystal Skull chase, the Russians needed the notes that Mutt gave Indy to find the Skull. Mutt and Indy ran away from them so they wouldn't get the notes (and subsequently the skull). When Indy got the skull, both sides chased each other as the skull kept changing hands. Later, with Indy in full custody of the Skull, they ran away from the Russians because they wanted to get the skull back from Indy.

9. What drug-addled dream did Lucas come up with look-alike greaser monkeys that can teach Mutt how to swing from (CGI) vines faster than speeding vehicles and mysteriously aid our heroes in attacking the Russkies. Our these our terrestrial Ewoks, George?
While I admit that was silly, the intention there was to give a nod to the Tarzan movies of the era. Much like the original films were representative of the serials of the 1930s, KotCS was representative of the films of the 1950s, such as B-Movies. Clearly, this didn't work for everyone.

10. Speaking of speeding vehicles, where in the Amazon are there open areas to effortlessly flee the Russians? Yeah the big chopper truck was interesting, but once the chase began it was left behind.
Didn't they go back the way they came? In other words, they drove away from what was already cut down.

11. The Three waterfalls. :vulcan::cardie::wtf::rolleyes::klingon::klingon:
Eyes, nose, mouth of the mountain skull, if I am not mistaken.

Sigh. Another item of real world physics George Lucas ignores is buoyancy. Ignoring the huge drops, jagged rocks, and rolling funnels of current often found at the bottom of many large waterfalls for a minute, if a metal boat gets too much water in it, it will sink. I presume that Lucas thought it would bob on the water like an inflatable raft? :wtf:
Again, I point to the scene in TOD where three people leap out of a plane, open a raft and land safely on the river below (after hitting a mountain and sliding down and off it).

12. Other plot throwaways: what did the natives have to do with all of this. Why were they on guard? Where was the explanation of lore that was always in the past films?
They did. It was said that the Akator Temple was guarded by the "living dead." Presumably, this living dead was not literal, and the warriors were protecting it. I'd say the level of explaniation was on par with the previous films

13. Why does Indy work to save the dude who kept betraying him again and again?
Because he is the hero and good guy. That's what good guys do. It is the same reason that he tries to save Elsa in Last Crusade after she betrayed him (and was a Nazi to boot).

14. Related to the previous point, why did Mac even die? All he was doing was picking up treasure and he fell down. Indy valiantly grabs him but he bids Indy to go on. All he was doing was lying down.
I'll grant that he accepted his death way to easy, but he wasn't lying down. He was being pulled towards that vortex while hanging onto Indy's whip/rope (? - don't remember exactly).

15. Okay, so we get inter-dimensional aliens who can miraculously whip up mountain boulders like so much cake mix and not injure anyone standing perilously close to the maelstrom? Riiiight.
Just like we can have ghosts pop up out of a box and kill everyone in close proximity -- unless, of course, you close your eyes (oh, and how did Indy know to do this, by the way?). Or how you can plunge your hand into someone's chest, rip out their heart, and they are still alive.

16. The FY Shia moment: The film goes to much trouble establishing the relationship between Indy and his new-found son. Then at the end there is a passing of the hat moment which is quickly ended as Indy snaps up his trademark headware. Did the movie lack the courage of its own convictions?
I think the film was harmlessly playing at the audience than anything else. There is only one Indiana Jones.
 
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This movie totally sucked! I was mad I wasted money on it. If they make another one then I will try to borrow a bootleg copy from a friend because renting it wont be worth any money either.
 
Not that I'd argue that KOTCS was a particularly great film, but--

The previous Indy films had a lot of tension of whether or not Indy and pals could overcome or even survive the obstacles thrown at them.

Well... no, not really, at least after the first one. Certainly there was zero chance of Indy himself dying, in an episodic series about his own adventures, named after him. That could happen in a series-ending film, of course, but not otherwise.

Blanchett put in a little effort but even her skills were wasted.

I thought Spalko made a good one-dimensional villain, much as Toht did back in Raiders.

14. Related to the previous point, why did Mac even die? All he was doing was picking up treasure and he fell down. Indy valiantly grabs him but he bids Indy to go on. All he was doing was lying down.

In a swirling whirlwind of flying debris that would shortly inevitably bash him to death.
 
I can always get into a good Crystal Skull Bashing thread.

The film was completely fucking embarrassing.

I truly believe anyone who likes it is delusional or retarded.

Anyone who compares that movie (or agrees with that comparison) to rape is either delusional or retarded.

rape 1 (rāp) Pronunciation Key
n.
The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
To seize and carry off by force.
To plunder or pillage.

And which one was depicted in the South Park ep? :rolleyes:
 
I do find it funny that only after four Indiana Jones movies that people are only now questioning the credibility of the movies. :guffaw:
 
And which one was depicted in the South Park ep? :rolleyes:

It's a satirical cartoon. It's one definition of rape used as an analogy to comment on the other. But, most likely in South Parks case, they were probably trying to comment on several levels and pointing out the ridiculousness of the fan community's use of that term to describe what Lucas has done in recent years. They're hardly mocking the concept of sexual rape or anything else that should be deemed offensive by anyone.
 
It was showing raping in a metaphorical sense with raping in a physical sense.

Lucas and Spielberg "raped" (in a metaphorical and creative sense) Indiana Jones. The best way to "show" this in a satirical cartoon show is to show physical rape -the kind most people connect with the word.

I guess they *could* have shown Lucas and Spielberg sitting at a writing table talking about all these "great ideas" they had like CGI gophers, and a Tarzan-swinging scene but I doubt that would've gotten their message across.
 
I agree that this film was a distant fourth compared to the others, but I still enjoyed it and it was fun to see Indy on the big screen again.
 
I'll never understand the mentality of haters. For example I dislike American Idol, can't stand the show and have never watched any more of it than the commercials have shoved in my face, and I certainly can't "get into in a good American Idol bashing". For demonstration purposes, this right here is the first, last and most I've ever spoken of it; It's just that easy.
A normal thought process would lead a person to seek out that which he or she enjoys. To gravitate towards something that they don't raises the question as to whether or not they like anything at all; A display that seriously undermines the value of one's opinions.
 
If I were to rate American Idol with a 0/10, I'd have to give Indy 4 a 1/10.
 
They overthought the concept of a fourth Indy movie, I gather. They didn't just want another stand alone installment, it had to tie into Marion or something. The artifact had to have pop culture recognizability. So much of it felt forced, including as much 1950's kitsch as possible. All that was missing was an appearance by Elvis himself. Maybe he gets the skull, and Mutt has to disguise himself as girl to retrieve it from the King's dressing room.
 
It amazes me that no one ever considers the fact that one isn't hating just for the sake of hating. I love Indiana Jones. The first three films were some of the seminal cinematic experiences of my youth. I don't think Lucas and Spielberg raped my childhood or anything, as others seem to insinuate, but of course, because I care about the films, I was deeply disappointed by how awful Crystal Skull turned out.

Am I not allowed to express my disappointment on a message board? So I use colourful hyperbole and rhetoric...does it really bother you that much?
 
I'll never understand the mentality of haters. For example I dislike American Idol, can't stand the show and have never watched any more of it than the commercials have shoved in my face, and I certainly can't "get into in a good American Idol bashing". For demonstration purposes, this right here is the first, last and most I've ever spoken of it; It's just that easy.
A normal thought process would lead a person to seek out that which he or she enjoys. To gravitate towards something that they don't raises the question as to whether or not they like anything at all; A display that seriously undermines the value of one's opinions.

All fine and good, but I went to see KotCS because I liked the other Indy movies, the trailers looked promising and I thought it'd be good. The result was an abomination. So, guess what, I'm going to voice my opinion on what a festering turd that senseless movie is.

Only reason I bought the DVD was so I could watch the Rifftrax.
 
I truly believe anyone who likes it is delusional or retarded.

Um, yeah. Okay then.

Anyway, I liked the movie. It was good clean fun and Harrison Ford did a great job. The previous films were mostly better, but they have far more flaws than most Indiana fans are willing to admit.
 
I'll never understand the mentality of haters. For example I dislike American Idol, can't stand the show and have never watched any more of it than the commercials have shoved in my face, and I certainly can't "get into in a good American Idol bashing". For demonstration purposes, this right here is the first, last and most I've ever spoken of it; It's just that easy.
A normal thought process would lead a person to seek out that which he or she enjoys. To gravitate towards something that they don't raises the question as to whether or not they like anything at all; A display that seriously undermines the value of one's opinions.

All fine and good, but I went to see KotCS because I liked the other Indy movies, the trailers looked promising and I thought it'd be good. The result was an abomination. So, guess what, I'm going to voice my opinion on what a festering turd that senseless movie is.

Only reason I bought the DVD was so I could watch the Rifftrax.

You had me right up until you bought the DVD. :wtf:

As to those who base their hate and disappointment for this film on a comparison to the love and enjoyment they feel towards the earlier ones, I concede that you have a valid gripe. But at least state that in your argument, don't come blasting into a thread tearing into it with abstract remarks and harsh insults at those who did enjoy it. That just isn't going to influence people in a positive way or do anything to validate your point.
 
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