Final Trailer!

[Tuskin38]

Jorg thinks he spotted a Ferengi
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1620130977275076633

Right now, Prodigy is doing THAT in spades.

They'd most likely be targeting difference audiences. I imagine a SFA show would be a teen drama.

I'm having Deja Vu here. Either way I don't see why they can't co-exist. They'd probably be two completely difference premises.

 

[fireproof78]

Right now, Prodigy is doing THAT in spades.

Ok. SO that precludes them from shifting from Prodigy, more pre-teen/early teen type adventure in to more college age drama. I would mail the writers of Academy copies of Heinlein's "Space Cadet" which is a nice way of approaching the "coming of age" style story that could be utilized in a college setting like Starfleet Academy.

I'm having Deja Vu here. Either way I don't see why they can't co-exist. They'd probably be two completely difference premises.

Same here. I think it's trying too hard to find similarity when a talented writer could deliver successful differences and drama in spades.

 

[James Cole]

You don't have to accept it, but there's no excuse you can give to make your reasoning plausible other than artistic license.
Which in no way changes what the producers have stated.

I guess here's my main hang up. Let's say you have call backs, member berries, etc. If you're also doing creative re-interpretation, that can create red herrings or anti-member berries.

Whereas, one of the main selling points for me about Picard season 3 is that it respects the lore, has many layered threads continuing past storylines, and "pluses canon". The 12 Monkeys series started as a pilot unconnected to the film, and developed it's own intricate mythology -- so much so that the series doesn't play the same way twice.

Here, Terry Matalas has access to 50 years of Star Trek lore, modern production techniques, and serialization that can really bring Berman era Trek into the next generation. I hope it'll hit the sweet spot that pleases both pro and anti-NuTrek fans.

 

[Danja]

Whereas, one of the main selling points for me about Picard season 3 is that it respects the lore, has many layered threads continuing past storylines, and "pluses canon". The 12 Monkeys series started as a pilot unconnected to the film, and developed it's own intricate mythology -- so much so that the series doesn't play the same way twice.

Here, Terry Matalas has access to 50 years of Star Trek lore, modern production techniques, and serialization that can really bring Berman era Trek into the next generation. I hope it'll hit the sweet spot that pleases both pro and anti-NuTrek fans.

I've given up trying to appease the anti-Kurtzman Trek crowd.

They regard anything later than 2005 as a sacrilege.

 

[Corran Horn]

Interesting that the “new” generation of Starfleet seems to have the same view of the TNG/DS9/VOY era of Starfleet as Janeway (and likely others) had of the TOS era.

 

[fireproof78]

Interesting that the “new” generation of Starfleet seems to have the same view of the TNG/DS9/VOY era of Starfleet as Janeway (and likely others) had of the TOS era.

It's very interesting viewpoint in a psychological point of view.

 

[James Cole]

I've given up trying to appease the anti-Kurtzman Trek crowd.

They regard anything later than 2005 as a sacrilege.

FWIW, I liked more than disliked Picard season 2, liked Lower Decks seasons 2 and 3, and Prodigy season 1.

And, even with the challenging start, three of the best episodes of Lower Decks are at the end of season 1.

 

[ToddCam]

A Starfleet Academy show would function best as a sequel series to Prodigy IMO. You could bring in new characters to expand the cast with a whole new set of characters.

 

[Danja]

A Starfleet Academy show would function best as a sequel series to Prodigy IMO. You could bring in new characters to expand the cast with a whole new set of characters.

Good idea.

 

[Paul755]

I could swear that the speculation I read was the a Starfleet Academy show would be set in the 32nd Century and feature Tilly as one of the leads.

 

[fireproof78]

I could swear that the speculation I read was the a Starfleet Academy show would be set in the 32nd Century and feature Tilly as one of the leads.

I mean, it's not like we have anything to work on.

 

[RuleofAcuisition17]

I've given up trying to appease the anti-Kurtzman Trek crowd.

They regard anything later than 2005 as a sacrilege.

Spoiler: From 2005

To be fair, Kurtzman seems to have not given up appeasing what are sometimes "snottily" reffered to as the "Legacy Fans". Indeed, watching the rise of supposed "nu-trek" has an awfully familiar paint job, and 3/5 of the Trek shows currently airing are run by fans of the Pre-Kurtzman era: Prodigy with the Hageman's, Lower Decks with Mike Mahon. Even Strange New Worlds has Akiva Goldsman and Henry Alonzo Meyers. (Special Mention to Anson Mount for apparent ability to rattle off his favourite TOS episodes)

Heck, Meyers and Goldsman even have admitted cheerfully in interviews they're making a show they'd like to watch as lifelong fans of the show.

Like, I might not like Kurtzman's style necessarily. The lighting's often too dark, the bridge designs a bit too sharp. The writing's a bit jank etc. Though the style has grown on me. Ya know, like moss on someone still living in 2005.
Early NuTrek was a bit too far away from the hopeful-future flavour that runs through every last show and movie from 1966.

But as the big guy in charge of this Era of Trek? The one who must've had to pick through dozens of show ideas, mooted show ideas, future plans etc?

As a dude who watched a similarly huge franchise apparently burn utterly to the ground by the person left to look after it while she cackled at the fans who used to turn up no matter what? Who supposedly sabotages at every turn the desperate rearguard action of actual fans of said franchise to revive it?

Like, we've seen it a lot in recent times with an awful, awful lot of cherished IPs. Heck, it's still going on right now. Kurtzmen and Paramount actively seem to have chosen to avoid that route, Kurtzman's responce seems to have been to find as many Trek nerds as he could the split second he was given approval from Paramount to expand its Trek offering.

Now, cynically you can say the bottom line is all Paramount cared about, failed Kurtzman upwards so he would do less damage and ensure the merchandise sales would be protected. I don't beleive this, as evidenced by the looooong ramble above.

For that, he's owed many, many pints (or favoured drink of his choice)

I could swear that the speculation I read was the a Starfleet Academy show would be set in the 32nd Century and feature Tilly as one of the leads.

I'd be up for that. Problem is it'd either be JUST Tilly on her own, or we'd need a bit of a time-jump so it's not just her in charge of the academy and now has a full staff. Plus should mean more Kovalchik airtime. I'm up for that.

Jorg thinks he spotted a Ferengi
https://twitter.com/gaghyogi49/status/1620130977275076633

Yup. Looks like a Ferengi there. People seem to be squeaking a fair bit on Twitter that it's Quarks bar on DS9, forgetting that the door design to Quarks seems to be something modified/fitted by Quark (or Rom) himself, and is also the motif behind the Ferengi shuttlecraft set, which seems to be back in this.

So we taking bets on who it is? Jeffery Coombs? Armin Shimmerman? We know there's more small "surprise cameos" to come.

 

[Mudd]

Ya don't gatekeep you get "Palpatine came back for some reason".

Yes, it's a good thing that fan gatekeeping prevented that.

The accurate sentence is: "you don't gatekeep, you and everyone around you enjoy life more in healthy ways."

 

[Lord Garth]

For many Star Trek fans, the top thing they like about the franchise is the interconnected lore.

"The top thing" is the problem right there. If it's the top thing, then these fans think canon is more important than quality. That's not watching a show, that's watching a religion.

Do I buy SNW or the first two seasons of DSC as a natural prequel to TOS? No. But I can suspend my disbelief. Apparently that's too much to ask for people who are so unhealthily fixated on things.

 

[ananta]

"The top thing" is the problem right there. If it's the top thing, then these fans think canon is more important than quality. That's not watching a show, that's watching a religion.

Do I buy SNW or the first two seasons of DSC as a natural prequel to TOS? No. But I can suspend my disbelief. Apparently that's too much to ask for people who are so unhealthily fixated on things.

Futurama was prophetic!

 

[cooleddie74]

Somehow, inanity returned.

 

[Lord Garth]

Here, Terry Matalas has access to 50 years of Star Trek lore, modern production techniques, and serialization that can really bring Berman era Trek into the next generation. I hope it'll hit the sweet spot that pleases both pro and anti-NuTrek fans.

This is the "Before" Post. You're in for a bumpy ride. You're about to find out what I found out in 2017-2018.

The 1966-2005 Only Fans of today are like the TOS Only Fans of 30 years ago. They act like them, they sound like them, they talk like them. Some will come around, most will not. At least not for a long, long, long time. I know how this all played out last time. It's going to play out the same way this time. History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. Like Mark Twain said.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even during the Berman Era there were the "I like TNG and DS9 but want nothing to do with ENT" people. "Romulans didn't have cloaking technology that early, the NX-01 doesn't look right, why is it never shown or mentioned in any other series or film, etc." kept many fans from liking the final show of that era because they kept insisting it violated continuity and even canon.

 

[Cox of Seagulls]

Even during the Berman Era there were the "I like TNG and DS9 but want nothing to do with ENT" people. "Romulans didn't have cloaking technology that early, the NX-01 doesn't look right, why is it never shown or mentioned in any other series or film, etc." kept many fans from liking the final show of that era because they kept insisting it violated continuity and even canon.

It's been crazy to see ENT become slowly rehabilitated over the years. The hate was insane at the time, but look at any ENT clip on YouTube now and it's full of people wishing it had gone 7 years and calling it underrated and "real Trek", whatever that means.

Fine with me though, I always liked it

 

[cooleddie74]

2002: "The NX-01 is an abomination to Trek history and spits all over continuity! Berman and Braga should know better!"

2022: "ENTERPRISE WAS SO MUCH BETTER THAN ANY OF THE NEW STREAMING SHOWS. We had it lucky."