"Filthy Andorians"

[EmoBorg]

I actually rewatched "The Andorian Incident" episode from ENT and i must say that the Andorians were pretty brutal in that episode. They practically tortured Archer and one of them acted very rapey towards T'Pol. It could not be said that they would become a major ally of Earth one day based on that episode.

Maybe Discovery is going to continue to portray them in that angle. A violent race who happened to be members of the Federation.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Those Andorians were crack troops and operatives beleaguered by desperation whose minds had gone to terrorism and hatred. I think the writers wanted us to see that specifically because they would one day be founding members of the Federation. That sort of behavior is seen by humans from Terra Prime in the same series just three years later. We all had a great deal to overcome before the Charter could be signed.

I think it's fair to say there's still a lot to overcome 95 years later, too, which is why we're seeing it with humanity and yeah, I bet we'll see it with the Andorians, too. I like this because reality has shown time and again that 95 years probably isn't going to change as much as we might like. I think back to, say, 1922, and I struggle to believe we'd all be singing kumbaya by now even if the Vulcans popped on by for a hello (not that hello, the friendlier hello) at some point in the interim.

I definitely think we'll see the Andorians at some point, probably this season. They've been name-dropped thrice. First, Georgiou mentioned a nearby colony whose safety would be jeopardized by the situation with the Klingons. Then, T'Kuvma called them filthy. Then, one of the prisoners on the transport shuttle called them scumbags. We're getting a picture here and I expect the writers want to give us some dirty, downtrodden but ultimately very sympathetic Andorians -- kind of like Enterprise ended up doing, except we start out unified with them this time but old tensions resurface somehow.

I don't know. Something along those lines, maybe. Maybe not. On paper it sounds pretty unimaginative, but I think Discovery has already earned the benefit of the doubt insofar as unimaginative-sounding material is concerned. I think they'd do it fairly well if it's done at the writing level of the most recent episode.

Speaking of Federation founding members, though, I'm actually really wondering if Burnham winds up going to Vulcan at some point this season. We've seen preview footage of her there fighting somebody, I think, haven't we? Could of course be a flashback, but it could also occur that she's temporarily ousted from the ship and goes there for a couple of episodes.

Just randomly theorizing at this point.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The comments could have been of a sexual nature?

Polygamy, and the Antennae are obviously spare penises.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Guy, I've been here for seven years, a full Voyager traipse across the Delta Quadrant, and you still keep me on my toes like a fresh-faced ensign. I am the Harry Kim to your writer refusal to promote me.

 

[cooleddie74]

Stop playing around with your clarinet.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Those Andorians were crack troops and operatives beleaguered by desperation whose minds had gone to terrorism and hatred. I think the writers wanted us to see that specifically because they would one day be founding members of the Federation. That sort of behavior is seen by humans from Terra Prime in the same series just three years later. We all had a great deal to overcome before the Charter could be signed.

I think it's fair to say there's still a lot to overcome 95 years later, too, which is why we're seeing it with humanity and yeah, I bet we'll see it with the Andorians, too. I like this because reality has shown time and again that 95 years probably isn't going to change as much as we might like. I think back to, say, 1922, and I struggle to believe we'd all be singing kumbaya by now even if the Vulcans popped on by for a hello (not that hello, the friendlier hello) at some point in the interim.

I definitely think we'll see the Andorians at some point, probably this season. They've been name-dropped thrice. First, Georgiou mentioned a nearby colony whose safety would be jeopardized by the situation with the Klingons. Then, T'Kuvma called them filthy. Then, one of the prisoners on the transport shuttle called them scumbags. We're getting a picture here and I expect the writers want to give us some dirty, downtrodden but ultimately very sympathetic Andorians -- kind of like Enterprise ended up doing, except we start out unified with them this time but old tensions resurface somehow.

I don't know. Something along those lines, maybe. Maybe not. On paper it sounds pretty unimaginative, but I think Discovery has already earned the benefit of the doubt insofar as unimaginative-sounding material is concerned. I think they'd do it fairly well if it's done at the writing level of the most recent episode.

Speaking of Federation founding members, though, I'm actually really wondering if Burnham winds up going to Vulcan at some point this season. We've seen preview footage of her there fighting somebody, I think, haven't we? Could of course be a flashback, but it could also occur that she's temporarily ousted from the ship and goes there for a couple of episodes.

Just randomly theorizing at this point.

With so much name dropping till now, i'm sure something big will happen with the Andorians soon.

Maybe we'll see the mentioned Andorian Colony.

 

[Psion]

With so much name dropping till now, i'm sure something big will happen with the Andorians soon.

Maybe we'll see the mentioned Andorian Colony.

I hear it's filthy.

 

[OpenMaw]

I'd love if we could get Jefferey Combs up in this as old man Shran being a filthy Andorian.

 

[Kemaiku]

I'd love if we could get Jefferey Combs up in this as old man Shran being a filthy Andorian.

He'd be about 150, I don't think they live that long. And they already seem to have named a ship in his memory.

However, should he have a half Andorian, half Aenar child who serves in the fleet, that might work.

 

[OpenMaw]

Well, let me rephrase my previous statement.

Jeffrey Combs.

 

[Psion]

He'd be about 150, I don't think they live that long. And they already seem to have named a ship in his memory.

However, should he have a half Andorian, half Aenar child who serves in the fleet, that might work.

There are so many ways around this in a science fiction setting, I'm amazed people think in such mundane terms. Suspended animation, prolonged travel close to the speed of light (special relativity), a black hole and general relativity, and wormholes have all been proposed as real-world ways to travel into the future "faster" than your peers, let alone the kinds of stretchy science Star Trek allows for. You could even have Shran and his gang rescued *by* the Discovery only a few years after they left the 22nd century behind. Combs' age difference is neatly explained, and a whole story could be built around him and the filthy Andorians!

 

[Kemaiku]

I'm amazed people think in such mundane terms.

With statements like that over the simplest things, it's not worth contributing anything more. Honestly, you thought this was fine to post to something ordinary did you?

 

[mattyhugh]

There are so many ways around this in a science fiction setting, I'm amazed people think in such mundane terms. Suspended animation, prolonged travel close to the speed of light (special relativity), a black hole and general relativity, and wormholes have all been proposed as real-world ways to travel into the future "faster" than your peers, let alone the kinds of stretchy science Star Trek allows for. You could even have Shran and his gang rescued *by* the Discovery only a few years after they left the 22nd century behind. Combs' age difference is neatly explained, and a whole story could be built around him and the filthy Andorians!

Two dimensional thinking. So much for my superior intellect.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

He'd be about 150, I don't think they live that long. And they already seem to have named a ship in his memory.

That was his larval stage. He later metamorphosed into a Vorta.

 

[Kor]

It would seem contrived if characters from ENT appeared in STD nearly unchanged.

Or if they appeared at all.

Kor

 

[Psion]

With statements like that over the simplest things, it's not worth contributing anything more. Honestly, you thought this was fine to post to something ordinary did you?

Absolutely!

Mind you, it wasn't meant as a dig against you as a person, but to a general mindset. One that neglects my opening bit you intentionally left out of the quote, "There are so many ways around this in a science fiction setting ..." You were a little too eager to shoot down OpenMaw's suggestion and neglected that solutions abound in Star Trek!

Still, I apologize for causing offense.

 

[mattyhugh]

It would seem contrived if characters from ENT appeared in STD nearly unchanged.

Or if they appeared at all.

Kor

Maybe we’ll see Porthos Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr. you know Admiral Archer’s prize Beagle.

 

[Kemaiku]

I kind of like the idea characters get to have a set lifespan and bow out peacefully. It also gives a chance for new characters to be written and have their own interactions. So yes Burnham is Spock's adopted sister, but not actually related. Shran has a kid in Starfleet who can challenge some of these assumptions that Andorians are all "filthy" etc

Now, a video recording of Admiral Shran of the late Andorian Imperial Guard, now high ranking Starfleet officer, giving a speech years after the Federation formed? being watched by Lorca as someone walks into the room, that I could get behind.

 

[cooleddie74]

I wouldn't mind an old recording of Shran as an elderly veteran or even Federation Council member and having Jeffrey Combs return to makeup for a cameo. The prerecorded-video-of-a-famous-Star Trek-character thing worked just fine to help pass the torch at the beginning of ENT, and at one point there were discussions to have Shatner record a sentimental hologram of Captain Kirk that Spock Prime would watch in one of the Kelvin timeline films.

It can be done. There's nothing stopping them from tying together two eras and two series with such a gimmick.

 

[Kemaiku]

Yeah, getting him back and aging the makeup with a full white Andorian beard would be cool.