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Ferenginar: The heavily regulated libertarian police state

JirinPanthosa

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The Ferengi started out as a caricature of 20th century America, but as DS9 developed them there are some humorous contradictions.

It's such a laissez faire economy that the idea of tax was unheard of until Zek's reforms, and yet there's an organization called the Ferengi Commerce Authority more empowered than the IRS to seize peoples assets and ban them from doing business without recourse.

On the surface all they care about is profit, but the principles at the core of their philosophical outlook contradict it if you drill down at all. The first rule of acquisition states "Once you have their money, never give it back to them". Yet refunding someone's money when you made a mistake or sold a malfunctioning item could make the difference between getting their money once and getting theirs and all their friend's money several times after they leave satisfied.

The Ferengi don't care about profit nearly as much as they care about the hustle. The hunt is what they live for, not the spoils. Which is why this economy seemingly build on the principle of free enterprise needs such laughably strict regulations. Why a union at some remote bar threatens them so much, and why Quark can get blacklisted for violating a contract entered into under false pretenses. Because, the seemingly abrupt change toward liberal capitalism at the end of the series was only out of nowhere from the Federation perspective. Just like the more normalized cultural changes become in the US, the more harshly people who don't like the changes try to crack down on them. People who don't want to give up the hustle and their position in power and with absolute control over women had been terrified of a growing cultural change for decades. And Ishka knowing this just hacked the system to convert the handful of powerful Ferengi they needed on their side to get those changes over the hump.

It only seemed abrupt to us, the viewers, because we only watched from a Federation perspective and the Federation only ever met the hustlers and yankee traders.
 
Sadly, like most trek spiecies, it's at the whim of the writers and what they need the character to do that week.
Need quark to have some drama, form a union and get the other feringi involved. Does it line up with whatever species bible is on hand? Close enough.
And Since they were fleshing out the species in Ds9 .. Other than comical rejects in Tng..
 
I've read speculation somewhere (nothing to do with Trek), that if we're ever to meet an alien species, odds are first contact would be with non-mainstream types that don't feel at home in their own society, and head for the far fringes and unexplored frontiers. Among them also the 'wild west' and 'hustler' types.

It could explain the seeming change in the Ferengi between early TNG and DS9, as of course we see them from the Federation perspective.
 
I've read speculation somewhere (nothing to do with Trek), that if we're ever to meet an alien species, odds are first contact would be with non-mainstream types that don't feel at home in their own society, and head for the far fringes and unexplored frontiers. Among them also the 'wild west' and 'hustler' types.

It could explain the seeming change in the Ferengi between early TNG and DS9, as of course we see them from the Federation perspective.

The only Ferengi the Federation ever meets and the audience ever sees are the metaphorical one percenters. The average Ferengi wanted reform for a long time.

Quark is a one percenter too, just maybe a 99.1% person, being persecuted by Brunt, the 99.9% person.
 
I've always wondered how those Ferengi Marauders are paid for?

If there are no taxes (or ability for an established Ferengi authority to marshal resources), how do the Ferengi create a defense force with Daimons and crews to project power?

I could see an interpretation of Ferengi society where the Ferengi Alliance is a big corporation with the Grand Nagus as its CEO. The Ferengi Commerce Authority (FCA) instead of being the equivalent of the IRS is more like corporate security putting down any worker revolts and enforcing corporate policy.
 
It's a case of the political system and the economic system parting company, happens sometimes. But I think that you might have "syndicates", somewhat analogous to Klingon houses. The Grand Nagus is at the top of the heap and probably pays for Marauders out of his personal fortune augmented, of course, by tribute exacted from lesser Daimons.
 
It's a case of the political system and the economic system parting company, happens sometimes. But I think that you might have "syndicates", somewhat analogous to Klingon houses. The Grand Nagus is at the top of the heap and probably pays for Marauders out of his personal fortune augmented, of course, by tribute exacted from lesser Daimons.
So the Grand Nagus' position is built on a Hybrid Ponzi Scheme / Mob Racket / Pyramid Scheme w/ Government backing.
 
The maurauders are probably like privateers in the 18th century. They get a license from their government to pray upon any non-allied shipping, and they get whatever loot they can capture. Prisoners have to be treated humanely and ransomed. They don't get paid by their government, just a privateer's license.
 
I've always wondered how those Ferengi Marauders are paid for?

If there are no taxes (or ability for an established Ferengi authority to marshal resources), how do the Ferengi create a defense force with Daimons and crews to project power?

I would assume that they don't, and that in fact every Ferengi starship we see on TNG is actually owned by a corporation rather than by the state. On DS9, in fact, we only ever see the Grand Nagus travel using shuttlecraft -- even long-distance interstellar trips. So I suppose there might be a small space force owned by the Ferengi Alliance as a state, but if there is, Grand Nagus Zek still seemed to prefer to save money when he traveled!
 
I've read speculation somewhere (nothing to do with Trek), that if we're ever to meet an alien species, odds are first contact would be with non-mainstream types that don't feel at home in their own society, and head for the far fringes and unexplored frontiers. Among them also the 'wild west' and 'hustler' types.

That's actually exactly what Gene Roddenberry says in the TMP novelisation - Earth is full of hippie New Humans, but Starfleet tends to be more populated by rugged throwbacks, like Kirk, which is why he's more comfortable in space.
 
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Yes the idea was raised in another thread about the militant TNG Ferengi not exactly being the mainstream of Ferengi society. They were definitely focused on profit, but by outright force instead of shady business dealings.

Then there was that one Ferengi in DS9 who didn't care about profit; contract killer, IIRC, and he just liked to stab people, or something like that.

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Given the way Ferengi seem to react toward their authority figures, I always assumed the main source of income for the Ferengi government was extortion and bribes, drumming up charges against wealthy businessmen and being paid off to look the other way, and occasionally seizing assets.
 
Since we didn't really see much of the FCA except for Brunt, it's quite possible the FCA in general followed rules about proving their suspects guilty in court before confescating their assets and barring them from business with Ferengi, etc.
 
Quark says they don’t have taxes, but that doesn't mean the government isn't skimming plenty off the top in permits, business licences etc.

They obviously don't have any social programmes or a welfare state, at least until Ishka's reforms.
 
I think something to bear in mind is that we should not be surprised if there's actually a lot of de facto government regulation of businesses on Ferenginar even if there's nominally no such regulation. Because in reality, there is no such thing as a "free" market -- markets are a game created by cultures, according to the rules of a culture. Markets do not exist in a state of nature and cannot exist without the rules cultures create, which means in real life there is no such thing as markets that are not regulated. And when you have a culture that also believes in reinforcing economic hierarchy, you end up with a culture where the powerful will inevitably use all the tools at their disposal to gain wealth and subvert fair competition.
 
The other aspect is what happens to Ferengi who are at the bottom of the pile?

I suspect they have to sign contracts as labourers - no doubt on harsh terms - including on Ferengi starships. Quark worked as a cook on a ship, and we know his father didn't have the lobes for business.

I'm thinking a Victorian, pre-welfare state form of hypercapitalism, with workhouses and press-gangs for the poor, possibly even transportation to other planets in the Ferengi Alliance.
 
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I think something to bear in mind is that we should not be surprised if there's actually a lot of de facto government regulation of businesses on Ferenginar even if there's nominally no such regulation. Because in reality, there is no such thing as a "free" market -- markets are a game created by cultures, according to the rules of a culture. Markets do not exist in a state of nature and cannot exist without the rules cultures create, which means in real life there is no such thing as markets that are not regulated. And when you have a culture that also believes in reinforcing economic hierarchy, you end up with a culture where the powerful will inevitably use all the tools at their disposal to gain wealth and subvert fair competition.

The state of monopoly is an ever-present magnet.
 
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