Ferengi post-DS9

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  1. Admiral Jean-Luc Picard

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    What have the Ferengi been up to since DS9 ended? They had a recurri g role on TNG and a huge role on DS9, then poof.

    I remember the Ferengi returning for one of Voyager's final episodes and a first season episode of Enterprise. Is that it?
     
  2. DonIago

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    Well, there's always the novels...
     
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    Pass, I prefer original fiction literature as opposed to that based on TV shows. Do you think the Ferengi will pop up on Discovery, Picard, or Lower Decks? My favorige Ferengi episodes were the ones where the Ferengi genuinely thought they were intimidating. LOL
     
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  4. Oddish

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    After seeing the basis for their society effectively obliterated, the Ferengi alliance dissolved into civil war. Capitalist hardliners reestablished the old ways of unbridled capitalism and female domination. However, most of the female population (seeing what was coming) jumped on assorted starships before the gate crashed down on them, leaving Alliance territory. With hardly any women left on Ferenginar, Rule of Acquisition #113 has become much more of a thing.

    Rom and Leeta escaped the coup and joined Zek and Ishka on Risa.
     
  5. Reyman

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    A Ferengi briefly popped up in one of the LD episodes.
     
  6. DonIago

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    I think you're doing the novelverse a disservice, but it's your decision to make!

    If you'd asked me about DISCO during its first two seasons I would have said 'I hope not,' but now...who knows...

    I haven't seen any of Picard or LD, but I don't see why they shouldn't?
     
  7. The Wormhole

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    There's already been a Ferengi in the second episode of Lower Decks.
     
  8. Tim Thomason

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    Ferengi, in the form of Quark, the (ex-?) Nagus's brother, have been mentioned on Picard, and they've made multiple appearances on Lower Decks (one in a flashforward, the furthest we've seen Ferengi).
     
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    They already did for Lower Decks. And it was one that suggested Ferengi have evolved but the Federation still sees them as stereotypes.

    I hope we do get a more definitive view. Rom wanted to make them into liberal capitalists but who says some other conservative Ferengi didn’t do away with him?

    Oh God, what if the current Nagus is Ferengi Trump?! Making Ferenginar Great Again?
     
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    I'm going to guess that Rom was like the Jimmy Carter of Ferenginar and whoever replaced him is like Ronald Reagan.

    Not touching Current Politics. Except to say Trump ripped off Reagan's slogan.
     
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    The Ferengi went from being nasty, snivelling and downright dangerous foes from their first appearance on TNG
    To comedy caper arsehole capitalists
    They should never grace Trek again, they are utterly pointless
     
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    The ferengi are one of my favoruite species and Quark, Nog and Rom are some of my favourite characters in DS9 :D

    They went from a failed story thread in TNG to a proper culture in DS9, one of the most fleshed out ones in Star Trek.
    And it's awesome how we saw them develop over the seasons of DS9
     
  13. Admiral Jean-Luc Picard

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    I liked both portrayals honestly. A missed opportunity on DS9 was not featuring the Ferengi military, those huge orange Marauders, Ferengi with energy whips. Id have loved it if they maintained that the Ferengi ships were on par with Starfleet, but when it came to close quarters combat..... not so much.
     
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  14. Oddish

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    They are now, for reasons I will state shortly.


    Agreed. But elements of their culture were (1) unrestrained capitalism, (2) the autocratic power of the Grand Nagus, and (3) male dominance. Those aspects of the culture were systematically dismantled over the course of DS9. By the time "Dogs of War" ended, Ferenginar had female equality, social systems, and a government with checks and balances. They were really more like the Federation than they were like the Ferengi we know.
     
  15. Admiral Jean-Luc Picard

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    I think Delta Vega was saying he prefered them as villains than a comedy act.
     
  16. Tim Thomason

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    But they are on Trek. In the latest series (twice) and undoubtedly in future seasons. This is like saying "Romulans" or "Klingons" should never grace Trek again. You know they will.
     
  17. Oddish

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    I liked them better as greedy, misogynistic, untrustworthy, politically incorrect little trolls who would be happy to steal anything that wasn't nailed down.
     
  18. Orphalesion

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    Yes and I loved that. I loved how they developed over DS9's run and in my own headcanon they probably joined with the Federation about a century or so after DS9 ended.
    It could have been handled a little better, but I found Ishka and Pel quite enjoyable as crusaders for Ferengi women's rights and it fit very well with Trek's theme that things can be better in the future.
     
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    Cultures don't magically transform like that, though. They evolve over time, and through painstaking effort. Riker said it best in "Angel One", what was going on there was that certain men were already seeking more equality, the out-worlders were just a rallying point for them to gather around. It wasn't like "Ishka plays hide the salami with Zek and BAM! Instant equality."
     
  20. Orphalesion

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    As I said it could have been handled better.
    We have to account for the limitations of TV storytelling though, they couldn't very well show us decades of social development.
    And I do appriciate that for once they had a culture that changed and wasn't static.
     
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