Come now. We all know Spock was behind the knoll. Retconning it to be Klingons just plays to the modern anti-Vulcan agenda.
Feminism in Star Trek Discovery
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This is true. It came straight from Gene Roddenberry's typewriter! Paramount rejected it back in 1976 because he was getting too close to The Truth.
Poor Edith was just the start!
Oh no, did your penis drop off?
The overwhelming majority of people I have encountered who dislike Star Trek: Discovery present themselves online as men.
I prefer to watch interesting characters of any gender identity.
Baywatch was a show that aired thirty years ago which was about sexually objectifying its cast. It is a completely inappropriate comparison to a high-quality drama like Star Trek: Discovery.
The women Twilight fans I have met care about the character of Bella, too.
Why is a show that depicts women as people instead of decorations not "pure entertainment?"
First off, I presume that by "women," you mean straight women. To which I must reply: I'm sorry, but have you seen the thirst posts about Anson Mount? Star Trek: Discovery has literally had a handsome cishet male lead every season: Shazad Latif in seasons one and two, Anson Mount in season two, and David Ajala in seasons three and four.
And that's to say nothing about Anthony Rapp and Wilson Cruz, two very handsome gay men in the cast. Cruz in particular is just ridiculously cut and is shirtless semi-regularly.
The idea that Star Trek: Discovery lacks for attractive men just boggles the mind in its sheer falseness.
Please tell me what political view that is, exactly. What specific ideas does Star Trek: Discovery advocate for?
The stars of Star Trek: Discovery:
Say what you will about Star Trek: Discovery, but this is not a show that lacks for hunky men!
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Also, this should go without saying, but cisgender heterosexual women aren't the only people who experience sexual attraction to men.
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Clearly, the show lacks in shirtless scenes.The stars of Star Trek: Discovery:
Say what you will about Star Trek: Discovery, but this is not a show that lacks for hunky men!
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Also, this should go without saying, but cisgender heterosexual women aren't the only people who experience sexual attraction to men.
I'm pretty sure Oded Fehr and Anthony Rapp are the only ones who haven't been shirtless at some point on DIS...!
I think what they are complaining about is a lack of alpha male type of male characters. You could have a show with 5 males characters on it but if none of them has that kind of macho swagger like say Kirk did or Riker or even Picard then they don't count as the type of male characters they want to see. One thing critics point out is the many strong female characters they like but in almost all those cases the said show or tv movie almost always had a male character who fits into this category as well.
Kira had Sisko, Sarah Connor had Arnold and Reese in the first movie. Wonder Woman had Chris Pine. Even the beloved Cara Dunne had Mando as a fellow strong character equal. Combine that with conservative values always being depicted as being the values of the bad guys and that is what pisses them off. They miss the days when being a man in the movies would be Clint Eastwood or Burt Reynolds or John McClain. They no longer see any of their values represented in any form and so they get pissed.
Kira had Sisko, Sarah Connor had Arnold and Reese in the first movie. Wonder Woman had Chris Pine. Even the beloved Cara Dunne had Mando as a fellow strong character equal. Combine that with conservative values always being depicted as being the values of the bad guys and that is what pisses them off. They miss the days when being a man in the movies would be Clint Eastwood or Burt Reynolds or John McClain. They no longer see any of their values represented in any form and so they get pissed.
By what definition of the term are Lorca, Pike, Tyler, Vance, Stamets, Culber, Spock, and Book not "alpha male types?" All of them demonstrate strong leadership skills and extreme bravery.
How do they not have "macho swagger?" They're all extremely confident.
The thing about these people is that they pretty much complain about any franchise at this point. Their thing seems to be complaining about scifi/fantasy/comic book franchises where women and/or people of color are given a greater role than they would have generally been given in the past. Saw complaints about Foundation daring to have women characters - because the book written in the early 1950s didn't have a woman in it so it's "woke" that the show had Women. Complaints about Captain Marvel, Complaints about Star Wars (the actress who plays Cara Dunne is very conservative so that was probably ok for them haha), complaints about Doctor Who, complaints about the upcoming Lord of The Rings show, and on and on. They are so involved in right wing politics that they now see "everything" as an attack on their identity. Or some of them are just so full of anger and just let it out online/youtube. They are like the "hollywood review" version of Tucker Carlson.
Let's be real. Stamets and Culber will not count for that crowd and you know why. Lorca was a villain - which they use to prove their point, Tyler and Book are associated with Burnham so they don't count (and book was "wrong" in what he did this season, making the man the villain). Aliens don't count. That leaves Pike.
I have my suspicions, but I want them to say the quiet part out loud.
Well, if they were honest about their anger that would help. Honesty goes a long way towards understanding.
They do tend to focus on sci-fi and genre stuff because it's a genre that lends itself to more action and that stuff I think tends to appeal to conservative types more. I just never seen conservatives being into the more art house type of movies and also one thing I notice is their is so much tv out their people don't even know how many options they have for shows they would like. Somehow I just don't see many of these people always complaining even being aware of a show like Succession or Barry. Not to mention lets face it when it comes to something like Youtubers it's all about complaining about the Trek and Star Wars etc. They like all clickbait knows where the money is at.
Also it is true they feel like everything is and attack on their identity but in this case I think even liberals fall prey to this also due to the constant stream of clickbait and toxic encounters people experience on social media and the internet plus the media. The reason why things are getting worst and feel like they are getting worst is all about the modern internet. We have had these problems before the internet but it's made things amp up even more to a point where we are basically in a modern day civil war. Nothing is ever going to get better as long as something like Twitter sets the tone in terms of how people communicate their differences.
Lorca was made a bad guy and they complained about Burnham walking all over Pike. Stammets and Culber are gay which would not be a issue in itself but the fact that they are in romance does. Their homophobia is of the type of "I am okay as long as you keep that stuff behind closed doors" type of homophobia. Even after all these years they still feel insecure about any kind of romance that isn't hetrosexual and between a guy and girl.
Of course it doesn't help that show is badly written so that always makes things worst because sometimes that even allows them to make points that make sense even if they are coming at from a bad place. Which is something else I have noticed. They tend to go all in on shows or movies that aren't that great like Discovery,Supergirl etc but then get really exposed when they go after something that is good like Captain America and Winter Soldier or The Watchmen. The new Lord of the Rings show is really going to be hard on them because it's likely going to be a good show and that will just make their complaints look very petty in contrast.
What about Vance?
He keeps letting Burnham get away with doing questionable actions behind his back because they bring him results, so obviously he's just yet another emasculated malewife fawning over her radiant greatness.
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