Funny you should say that...
Fear the Walking Dead Season 4 discussion and spoilers.
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What starts as blatant and careless disregard for other people's safety in FEAR eventually evolves into the best running gag the show has; the habit of Clark family or Clark family-adjacent characters accidentally destroying everything that crosses their path. Honestly, it's what I was looking forward to every season until the show jumped the shark. I was an apologizer for this show the first two seasons and a true believer of season 3, but I'm sadly done with the show now as of S4A. I wasn't a fan of that half season, but at least it ended on-brand lol. If you make it there, I hope you can appreciate how much Madison burns shit down.
Fear the Walking Dead--
"I Lose People..."
Martha: I was hoping this episode spelled the end for this annoying, nutjob character, but as part of the "What reason did you have to spare a murderous enemy?" category (a file occupied by Negan), Alicia spares her life.
Morgan: The "I lose people" business made sense in TWD's "Clear" (regarding his son), but he's not responsible for the actions of others who happened to die (Benjamin, Eastman, et al), so for the showrunners, its keeping a false guilt alive for equally false drama--including allowing Jim to psych him out.
I know the showrunners like creating set pieces, but the whole toss-the-walker-to-set-off-the-car-alarm could haven accomplished with all of the loose debris on the rooftop.
In the preview, Morgan has the same kind of writing on his forehead Martha scribbles on her victims, suggesting he's been captured, hurt or its just a tease to get audience to think he dies in the season finale.
Strand: A brief moment in the reunion with Alicia, but as the longest-lived of the original group (and really, a de facto member of her family), there should have been something more.
Jim: "what you did to me?" Sure, he's pissed that he was bitten, but that's not Morgan's fault, and if he was left on his own, he was a goner in any case. His suicide as a means of triggering a car alarm was pretty predictable, and not exactly heroic for a character that was a self-serving ass for most of his screen time.
Not even going to guess what his secret ingredient is. From the surprised expression on Sarah's face, it had to be something others would find disgusting.
Sarah & Wendell: Sarah asking a dying man for his beer recipe? Could anyone be more heartless?
Wendell...well, I hope the expected is upended by having a disabled man survive in the ZA.
"I Lose People..."
Martha: I was hoping this episode spelled the end for this annoying, nutjob character, but as part of the "What reason did you have to spare a murderous enemy?" category (a file occupied by Negan), Alicia spares her life.
Morgan: The "I lose people" business made sense in TWD's "Clear" (regarding his son), but he's not responsible for the actions of others who happened to die (Benjamin, Eastman, et al), so for the showrunners, its keeping a false guilt alive for equally false drama--including allowing Jim to psych him out.
I know the showrunners like creating set pieces, but the whole toss-the-walker-to-set-off-the-car-alarm could haven accomplished with all of the loose debris on the rooftop.
In the preview, Morgan has the same kind of writing on his forehead Martha scribbles on her victims, suggesting he's been captured, hurt or its just a tease to get audience to think he dies in the season finale.
Strand: A brief moment in the reunion with Alicia, but as the longest-lived of the original group (and really, a de facto member of her family), there should have been something more.
Jim: "what you did to me?" Sure, he's pissed that he was bitten, but that's not Morgan's fault, and if he was left on his own, he was a goner in any case. His suicide as a means of triggering a car alarm was pretty predictable, and not exactly heroic for a character that was a self-serving ass for most of his screen time.
Not even going to guess what his secret ingredient is. From the surprised expression on Sarah's face, it had to be something others would find disgusting.
Sarah & Wendell: Sarah asking a dying man for his beer recipe? Could anyone be more heartless?
Wendell...well, I hope the expected is upended by having a disabled man survive in the ZA.
So howfar into the apocalypse are we? How did Him go really survive all this time? I missed it in first viewing...who I exactly sent him out to be eaten by walkers??
And from the preview...his bones were NOT broken????
And to asd/respond to Trek God...
I think Morgan kinda needed this to have a character arc and now solidify his role as the group's leader.
Martha has basically been the excuse to keep the group from jumping to Alexandria. I assume they will spend a month or 2 analyzing ratings to see if they want to extend the show or make season 5 the bridge back to the original.
Oh...and John Dory had a brief monebt of despair..so "nice" to see him be imperfect, even though it wasn't a deep dive.
And regarding Sarah and Wendell..a bit heartless but a good point she made that his beer will live on. Though Morgan is right...he would HATE that name
And from the preview...his bones were NOT broken????
And to asd/respond to Trek God...
I think Morgan kinda needed this to have a character arc and now solidify his role as the group's leader.
Martha has basically been the excuse to keep the group from jumping to Alexandria. I assume they will spend a month or 2 analyzing ratings to see if they want to extend the show or make season 5 the bridge back to the original.
Oh...and John Dory had a brief monebt of despair..so "nice" to see him be imperfect, even though it wasn't a deep dive.
And regarding Sarah and Wendell..a bit heartless but a good point she made that his beer will live on. Though Morgan is right...he would HATE that name
Given they're now synced with Walking Dead as of the end of season 8, a little over two years.
Well, I've seen the whole episode now and nothing happened to disprove my Beer Cure theory. 
Beer Boy did not die from the Zombie Virus, he died from the sudden stop at the bottom of a long fall. And, since the formula (a cure is a formula, not a recipe) has been passed on to the Trucker Woman, there is still a chance we will see a world cured by beer. It might be a bit of a rough transition, because the survivors will be staggering around like Zombies and there might be a few misplaced head shots, but the human race will be saved.
Beer Boy did not die from the Zombie Virus, he died from the sudden stop at the bottom of a long fall. And, since the formula (a cure is a formula, not a recipe) has been passed on to the Trucker Woman, there is still a chance we will see a world cured by beer. It might be a bit of a rough transition, because the survivors will be staggering around like Zombies and there might be a few misplaced head shots, but the human race will be saved.
Nah, no one will be able to aim.
Well, I've seen the whole episode now and nothing happened to disprove my Beer Cure theory.
Maybe instead of a cure it's something you must always have in your system all the time. All future humans have to be drunk 24/7 or else you switch to being a zombie.
Jason
If that were true, then no Cubs fan in Wrigleyville (in CHicgao) has turned!
I think the absolute 180 shift in this show was a little drastic, as I didn't hate the old show, but I have to say I am enjoying what they are doing now quite a bit more. I understand that the apocalypse is a hopeless, terrible place, but I've been getting that point beat into my head for 8 seasons of the Walking Dead. Toning down the darkness just a bit is a pleasant change of pace.
^ Agreed. Sure, the zombie apocalpyse is a depressing subject matter, and The Walking Dead does a great job of beating you over the head with its love of misery, but there's no reason you can't have a Walking Dead spinoff that's a fun take on the zombie apocalypse. I'm actually liking that part of this season. Of course, I also wouldn't complain if they went all-out Mad Max with production design/vehicle design and humans fighting humans, either 
..imagine a cosplayer in full blown Borg costume, as a walker!
As shown on Fear The Walking Dead, society didn't quite fall apart in a day...
That's true but maybe people were unaware in smaller towns for awhile. I mean in "Fear" that one family was throwing a BIrthday party the day before everyone skips out. Plus in smaller towns I am guessing it would be harder for military people to round up zombies since they would spending more focus on bigger cities. At least they could toss in some Amish zombies. I bet they were totally thrown for a loop.
Jason
Yeah, that makes no sense at all.
I just wish they would move his character beyond his personal "I don't kill / clear" internal conflict. By now, he should have reached some conclusion about which philosophy works best in a world where he's fully acquainted with living and undead threats. I understand that he's still dealing with the loss of his son and Benjamin, but by now, he has to know he does not need to keep racking his brain over which extreme (clear or Eastman) to adopt.
At this point, I cannot see AMC keeping FTWD running on its own for another season or two before audiences just walk away from it, since there seems to be no real resolution for the characters, even when they lived in the stadium. At least on TWD, survival was based around hope for children, or the larger goal or rebuilding society. With FTWD, most of the main characters are just living to live, and rarely speak of bigger ideas/plans.
Never expect any pop culture (like your Starfleet idea) to appear on this show. Its as though the showrunners fear dating the series by referring to something audiences as familiar with, or want to pretend that Kirkman's "reality" is the only one where major pop and/or myth culture hallmarks (including the mere idea of cannibalistic zombies in movies) do not exist.
Good point.
Even better.
Haven't you seen Z Nation?
I haven't seen Z Nation? I've heard about it. Is it a good show? From the looks of the few images I have seen I get the impression it's more of a tongue and cheek look at a zombie uprising. Who are the creators? Did they work for any other past great shows?
Jason
Zombie movies never exist in Zombie movies, with the exception of Zombie comedy movies.
Funny you should ask.
Z Nation is produced by The Asylum, but it is shockingly good despite that fact, although it shows in the budget. I have no idea who the individual creators are, though. It is indeed tongue in cheek and very over the top, but it is full of weird and wonderful ideas and it takes its characters seriously. It's kind of like the Zombie Apocalypse as done by EC Comics. It starts off weird and gets weirder. I think you would like it. If you don't mind spoilers, you could check out our past review threads, as we've done one for every season so far.