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Fear the Walking Dead Season 1 discussion and spoilers.

Yep, there's our Zombie Horde. :bolian:

But they killed off Liza. Damn. She was my favorite character. :(

It was a good finale, with some amazing shots of of post-Apocalyptic Los Angeles as they drove to the coast. It was a little bit odd, though, that Travis so objected to Salazar's treatment of the one soldier, yet seemed to have no objection to releasing the Zombie Horde, which resulted in the deaths of dozens of soldiers, medical personnel, and patients.

Nice scene, though: "You might want to save your ammunition." :rommie:
 
It was the best episode of the season, which I agree isn't saying a lot. But it's at least passable now. The characters are weighing them down a lot, still. Travis and Madison and Nick especially so. Strand, Salazar and Alicia seem to have some potential, imo, though exactly how much is hard to say. Chris could go either way, but I'm afraid the other poster who stated that whining about his dad 'killing' his mom is inevitable may be right.

The military was terribly misused throughout the show. Hopefully they just let them die off in the second season so we at least don't have to see that stupidity anymore.

The coast plot does interest me a great deal. A more water-based show is one of the few things I thought might be interesting enough to be worth a spin-off, so I'm glad to see they're at least going to play around with that. But at the same time, it's hard to see how living on a yacht is supposedly going to be their permanent solution. Unless they can find a lifetime supply of gas and food along the way. And spare parts. Personally I would've had them looking for a boat in order to find a more permanent safe home like a small island capable of sustaining agriculture and keeping them hidden from passersby.
 
Not bad, finally got a little of what should have been happening from the beginning. Seriously, this was 2000 zombies in a stadium, and look at the havoc they caused. Of course they still showed LA empty/abandoned, which made for nice pictures but no sense. Greater LA population is around 18 MILLION, give or take. This place should be so overrun with zombies that it's not safe within 100 miles, so that it was so quiet all season was kinda dumb. The stadium zombies were 1/9000th of the potential zombie horde.

And yeah, good that they thought of a boat. Bad that no one thought sailboat. Sailboat was the winner. That thing is going to suck fuel, so unless they have a nice close offshore island picked out, they're just as screwed. Or maybe they just stay right on the boat at anchor...
 
Why couldnt Strand have a big sailboat? That way there would be no complaining about fuel.

Sailboat definitely would've made more sense. But even then, it doesn't make much sense looking at a boat as a permanent home. It should be a means to an end.

But then, now that I think about it some more, maybe it is. This is still mostly speculation based on nothing more than the fact that Strand was looking at a yacht through the telescope.
 
I'm pretty sure that that fence would have held if they didn't spend 15 minutes shooting at it continuously with dozens of machine guns.
 
Salazar predictably letting the stadium zombies out--poses more of threat to him (and the rest of his West Coast Avengers) than the military.

Yep, this was absolutely another one of those moments where the only way for them to drive the plot was by really stupid character decision #32478. I mean, it was a pretty good show once the action started moving things, but it's tiresome to see so many incredibly dumb decisions to make that happen.

That's the result of weak writers who need easy (read: stupid) characters to justify the neglected horror element until the last minute. Salazar's plan made no sense whatsoever, but Travis and the others going along with it makes them 1000 times the idiot Salazar is.

Yeah, there's really no way all those guys with all those guns would be overwhelmed that easily. The worst was those guys just wandering in with the riot shields and then getting their asses handed to them.

In reality, there would've been a pile of bodies up front that most of the zombies would've tripped over, making them easy targets. That mound of dead bodies by the fence would probably actually support it rather than knock it down.

Agreed. Think about how Carl and Rick held off an army of zombies at the prison gates in season 4; the zombies are only dangerous as long as they have the room to go in every direction, thus taking secure positions from the humans during a fight. The FTWD soldiers had the advantage, but were just as unbelievably poor shots and quickly overwhelmed as a shamefully similar (*cough*ripped*cough*) scene in the climax of Romero's Land of the Dead, where the zombies also break though fenced-in strongholds, only to face soldiers who have no idea how to shoot anyone in the head.

I was kinda hoping that he really would die behind those locked doors, but I knew that wasn't likely at this point. I don't know why Strand trusts him in any capacity or what his deal is.

Strand seems like a set up; the clean, safe seaside property (no one questiong how it remained undiscovered by escaping L.A. residents), a large boat that offers sanctuary....this cannot be just some guy being nice.

All I could imagine after that ending is him being super emo about it. I mean, yeah, his mom died and that's horrible, but blaming his dad for it in a very whiny way seems inevitable unfortunately.

Whining, and other dysfunctional behavior to create drama between the blended family.

I thought it was kind of refreshing to see someone decide to actually go to the coast because it seems the strategic choice, so I like that. Season 2 will likely focus on conflict with other groups on the coast though. And I'm sure they'll find an unending supply of gas that doesn't expire.

Well, to offer a partial defense, this is early in the ZA, so gas is still available....but it would not be long before violent scavengers / self-appointed stewards of whatever is left would make supply runs pointless in the more populate locations.

No, it's definitely stupid, and that's cemented by when he says that it would be a lot harder to get out than to get in. His own life, his daughter, and his presumed alive wife, are all in danger from that stupid action. If he really cared about them, he wouldn't do that.

And it's not just him, the rest of the group is going along with his plan. No one thinks to say, "Hey, isn't this maybe a little dangerous?" They're all a bit too complacent with his methods this far into the apocalypse.

For a series that tries to play it "real," common sense still takes a back seat. If the producers were not so determined to spend 5 of 6 episodes avoiding horror (and its cause), instead being just another typically dysfunctional TV family drama, then the utterly ridiculous, self serving zombie liberation move would not need to be shoehorned into episode 6.

..and the few defenders of this series cannot argue that the release of an army of zombies helped explain why the military eventually abandoned the safe zone, since episode 5 already established that bailing was part of the military plan.

I love the concept of the show, but I just absolutely hate the characters.

Same here.

My prediction for season two: Hershel's boat.

Interesting prediction, as it would be up this series' alley to trap the Whiner League in closed quarters (again) for more season-long auditions for the rubber room. Or maybe another main character will suffer a bite, and have to be left at the dock, as the boat crew tearfully sails away...like Dawn of the Dead '04....

Another thing, unlike the farm, the boat's leaders might have semi or full on oppressive rules or obligations in order to stay..or go the old time pirate way. That's why Strand's easy acceptance of an entire group (and the resources they will need) seems suspect.
 
Anyone else notice when they left the safe zone they left the gate wide open and did not shut it again. Gee, nice to think of your neighbors and let the zombies in for them. Zombies would have eventually got in but, hell don't make it easy for them.
 
Travis was also quite happy with the plan to let the zombie horde overwhelm the compound (and presumably kill many inside). It isn't just zombie fiction that doesn't exist in this universe. Character consistency and common sense would also appear to be rare.

And also, ships being remotely realistic when you look at them through telescopes.
 
Anyone else notice when they left the safe zone they left the gate wide open and did not shut it again. Gee, nice to think of your neighbors and let the zombies in for them. Zombies would have eventually got in but, hell don't make it easy for them.

Travis was also quite happy with the plan to let the zombie horde overwhelm the compound (and presumably kill many inside). It isn't just zombie fiction that doesn't exist in this universe. Character consistency and common sense would also appear to be rare.

True--and before some FTWD apologist comes in to say, "who said there was anyone else left in the safe zone? Maybe they took off before Travis' group" that's writing for a series. From the way the series is handled, it needs others to write scripts. Unless some--like on other WD boards--will perform anti-common sense acrobatics in order to say this season's scripts all flow with no major problems that question the heart of the series' reason to exist (aside from a cash grab while the register is still open).

And also, ships being remotely realistic when you look at them through telescopes.

Heh--you caught that too. The element did not look like it was on the same shot of the ocean. Why are they cutting corners on so simple a CG structure? If the boat was real, something about the shot made it appear artificial.

Strange.
 
I worked 7 years on cruise ships. That boat looked perfectly normal as seen through magnification. The shot was hazy and with a lot of glare from the rapidly setting sun.
 
I worked 7 years on cruise ships. That boat looked perfectly normal as seen through magnification. The shot was hazy and with a lot of glare from the rapidly setting sun.

No, it didn't look normal. I mean, the boat itself was OK, but the ocean shot it was placed on didn't work for a variety of reasons, and lots of people picked up on that, even if they can't explain the exact reason why.

The biggest reason would be the shadow. The water didn't have much contrast, presumably because of it being overcast (yet in other shots it is pretty visibly at least partially sunny). Because of that, you wouldn't expect to see such a strong directional shadow. With that type of shadow, you would expect to see more contrast in the water and probably a stronger reflection as well. Also, such a strong directional shadow would be expected to have harder edges. In most cases you don't see shadows like that on the surface of water.

They pretty clearly picked a boat from a different time of day than their ocean shot, and haphazardly added a shadow and reflection in to try and make it match. It had to be some budget corner cutting, especially since the boat CG and set will be in season two's budget.
 
I worked 7 years on cruise ships. That boat looked perfectly normal as seen through magnification. The shot was hazy and with a lot of glare from the rapidly setting sun.

You'll even apologise for the CGI. Did you work on this show or something?

I haven't worked on cruise ships but I have been looking at things with my eyes for... well decades now. That ship looked terrible.

Part 1 of the 16-part Flight 462...

Apparently one of the web series characters will be in season two of FTWD.
 
Part 1 of the 16-part Flight 462...

Sixteen parts at less than a minute and a half?:wtf: I'll wait.


Only the first one is that short. The rest are going to be closer to ten minutes each.

I worked 7 years on cruise ships. That boat looked perfectly normal as seen through magnification. The shot was hazy and with a lot of glare from the rapidly setting sun.

You'll even apologise for the CGI. Did you work on this show or something?

I haven't worked on cruise ships but I have been looking at things with my eyes for... well decades now. That ship looked terrible.
Oh brother.:rolleyes:

Yep, your experience in the matter obviously far outweighs my own.
 
Jeez, I can understand not liking the show, but I'm not sure it's really worth getting all mean and nasty about. I mean at the worst it's just a generic and unnecessary spinoff, yet from the reaction here you'd think it was another Phantom Menace or Fantastic Four reboot. Lol
 
Some people just have nothing better to do than continue to complain about a show they admit that they don't like.
 
Well, I say, I ain't no highfalutin' cruise ship emm-ploy-eeee like yourself, but this looks 'shopped to me. I can tell from some of the pixels, and from having shopped online for a lot of ship-shape ship 'shops in my time.

 
Oh brother.:rolleyes:

Yep, your experience in the matter obviously far outweighs my own.

You mean my experience of having eyes?

Remind me... what does working on a cruise ship have to do with;

1) Knowing what things look like through telescopes when they're far away?
2) Televisual special effects?

Oh brother indeed.

Some people just have nothing better to do than continue to complain about a show they admit that they don't like.

Pointing out the flaw in the CGI is fair criticism. The ship looked like poor CGI. Who other than you disagrees?
 
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