I'll have to take your word for it that they got to see civilised society crumbling around them. Sadly, all i got to see was a kid saying... "nine days later".
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I'll have to take your word for it that they got to see civilised society crumbling around them. Sadly, all i got to see was a kid saying... "nine days later".
Well we saw riots in the streets, schools closing down, hospitals that were non-accessible, the power shutting down for hours at a time, neighbors being attacked on their front lawns, the military enclosing people in safe zones and dragging people off without explanation....
I'd say all that stuff would probably qualify.
I'd say all that stuff would probably qualify.
As the crumbling of all civilised society? No, I don't think so.
Zombies took over the world... but you wouldn't know it watching this show.
Many of TWD's season one characters were still ill-equipped to deal with zombies. Carol, Andrea (who only knew how to aim her gun a Rick--twice), Jacqui, and the Hispanic family (the husband being the exception) were just standing around screaming. If Rick was in a coma for over a month while the ZA spread, there were more than a few characters with no defense / offensive skills at all. Even Jim was not much good, as he was swinging a shovel, but still was "regular" enough to suffer a bite.
It is one thing to see characters develop in the early ZA, but FWD's leads are also straddled with being...bad characters, who question little (of importance--like why the dead are getting up), do little, and are more content to still play dysfunctional during the worst of times.
And THAT is actually EXACTLY what this show is about. People who wanted something else are watching the wrong show.
The show does seem super low budget (skipping 9 days of the "good stuff", seemingly just to avoid showing large zombie hordes) and I don't really know why. The ratings are huge, so the ad revenue must be huge as well. This show should have as high (if not higher) budget as network shows. Is AMC being greedy? Or does it cost a lot more than we realize to make the zombie makeup?
I haven't really gotten a "low budget" feel from the show myself. We haven't seen much grand scale action, but that's only because we're seeing things only from the perspective of this one family who's pretty much tried to stay away from all that.
Which is also why I'm not as bothered by the time jump as others apparently are. Once they were put in the safe zone it's pretty clear what happened-- the city went further to hell, zombies killed people, and they were pretty much kept in the dark about everything that was happening. I'd rather skip past those 9 days of them twiddling their thumbs with the rest of the community, and get to the part where they start to take action and investigate things further.
Which is also why I'm not as bothered by the time jump as others apparently are. Once they were put in the safe zone it's pretty clear what happened-- the city went further to hell, zombies killed people, and they were pretty much kept in the dark about everything that was happening. I'd rather skip past those 9 days of them twiddling their thumbs with the rest of the community, and get to the part where they start to take action and investigate things further.
I think they're saving the big Zombie Horde reveal for the season finale, possibly for the cliffhanger. One's first Zombie Horde should be a special moment.
The only character I really don't like at this point is Nick. Sure some of the other characters haven't always made the best decisions, but they are in a bad situation and don't really have any idea what they are doing, so some of it does make sense.
I can understand Travis not being able to shoot the Zombie donut shop girl, I've never fired a gun or even thrown a punch in a real fight ( I did do martial arts for several years so I know how to throw a punch, and did sparing) so I'd probably react pretty much like he did.
I'm a little annoyed that they are going for the evil military government angel here, that's such a cliché for this kind of story. I can understand a lot of them having trouble dealing with what's going on, but the whole thing with them grabbing people and imprisoning them, and now Cobalt is just annoying.
I'm also not real thrilled that they just jumped right to torturing the soldier. I don't mind shows with torturing sequences, the 100 for instance gave us a similar scenario that I thought worked, but here it just felt kind of forced.
I haven't had a problem with Meredith, but she didn't really do much of note this week.
I did enjoy the scene with Alycia and Chris in the house. I am curious if they are actually going to get them together. It is creepy, but at least it would be an interesting direction to take the character. I'm really starting to wish Alcyia Debnam-Carey had stayed on The 100, Lexa was a much more interesting character.
I'm really baffled by what Nick's cellmate has planned, because I don't really see junkie-boy having a lot of useful skills for a jailbreak. The cellmate character was pretty cool, so I'm hoping we see more of him.
There was a discussion up thread about unlikeable characters who are still interesting. I think a good example of this in a similar apocalyptic show would be David Whiele in Dominion. Anthony Head does a great job making him horrible asshole, who you still want to watch.
I can understand Travis not being able to shoot the Zombie donut shop girl, I've never fired a gun or even thrown a punch in a real fight ( I did do martial arts for several years so I know how to throw a punch, and did sparing) so I'd probably react pretty much like he did.
I'm a little annoyed that they are going for the evil military government angel here, that's such a cliché for this kind of story. I can understand a lot of them having trouble dealing with what's going on, but the whole thing with them grabbing people and imprisoning them, and now Cobalt is just annoying.
I'm also not real thrilled that they just jumped right to torturing the soldier. I don't mind shows with torturing sequences, the 100 for instance gave us a similar scenario that I thought worked, but here it just felt kind of forced.
I haven't had a problem with Meredith, but she didn't really do much of note this week.
I did enjoy the scene with Alycia and Chris in the house. I am curious if they are actually going to get them together. It is creepy, but at least it would be an interesting direction to take the character. I'm really starting to wish Alcyia Debnam-Carey had stayed on The 100, Lexa was a much more interesting character.
I'm really baffled by what Nick's cellmate has planned, because I don't really see junkie-boy having a lot of useful skills for a jailbreak. The cellmate character was pretty cool, so I'm hoping we see more of him.
There was a discussion up thread about unlikeable characters who are still interesting. I think a good example of this in a similar apocalyptic show would be David Whiele in Dominion. Anthony Head does a great job making him horrible asshole, who you still want to watch.
He's a literal scapegoat.
I think people underestimate how difficult it would be to shoot another human being. These characters don't know that they're in a Zombie show. They live in a universe that does not have Zombie movies. What they are seeing are not reanimated corpses. They are seeing lepers. Travis was looking through that scope at a woman who was looking back at him. Of course he couldn't pull the trigger.JD said:
Saving the stadium (or other bottled up zombie hives) for a final, "look!! its mass zombies! it's street battles! You can't say there's no real horror now!" season finale seemed predictable with each new episode not focusing on zombies, when a city as overpopulated as Los Angeles should have been overwhelmed or at least seriously trouble the survivors / military early on.
Well, the military is getting overwhelmed. We just don't get to see it. Which is kinda lame.
Show went into overtime forcing me to miss Quantico. I hate when networks do that. Wasn't even worth it.
Where to start...
There is no control over zombies (and this early on, no one really knows how they "think" or operate), so Salazar predictably letting the stadium zombies out--poses more of threat to him (and the rest of his West Coast Avengers) than the military.
Oh, look, The Evil, Aggressive, Rape-y Military paws Alicia and sends glass-jawed Camera Lad to slumberland. I did not see that coming. No, really....that's very original.
Wow. The military. Aside from the Evil Aggressive Rape-y Military stereotype, they had such a hard time with head shots of near-stationary targets...at point blank range. Looks like they were trained by Palpatine's Stormtrooper unit, 'cause we know how accurate that group was with weapons.
Incredibly convenient infiltration of the compound. Equally convenient keycard rescue of The Addict Who Will Be The Hero.
Convenient "badass / hero-making" moment for Travis to man up by beating the soldier, when he was damn near a coward up to the point of leaving the neighborhood.
Rick Grimes...watch out!
The addict: Soooo...being a junkie is like fighting to survive in the zombie apocalypse where mass cannibalism is THE human civilization game changer?!? ...and now with everyone "catching up" to him, I imagine that will make him most capable of navigating through the dual threats of zombies and humans.
...and Liza was Redshirted.
Will this push Meredith to take Camera Lad as her own--or will he just end up with Alicia in his grief, while blaming Travis?
Will Travis see Liza's ghost all throughout season two, tormenting him (or trying to send a message) like that other guy's dead wife?
Would you risk going on a boat when you will need to go to the mainland for supplies, and the California coastline being...the California coastline, it should be overrun with zombies and violent scavengers soon enough, so how do you stock up? Who runs maintenance on the ship? Where are the extra gas, oil and supplies for that?
Alright, which series ended on a better note: TWD season 1 or FTWD season 1?
There is no control over zombies (and this early on, no one really knows how they "think" or operate), so Salazar predictably letting the stadium zombies out--poses more of threat to him (and the rest of his West Coast Avengers) than the military.
Oh, look, The Evil, Aggressive, Rape-y Military paws Alicia and sends glass-jawed Camera Lad to slumberland. I did not see that coming. No, really....that's very original.
Wow. The military. Aside from the Evil Aggressive Rape-y Military stereotype, they had such a hard time with head shots of near-stationary targets...at point blank range. Looks like they were trained by Palpatine's Stormtrooper unit, 'cause we know how accurate that group was with weapons.
Incredibly convenient infiltration of the compound. Equally convenient keycard rescue of The Addict Who Will Be The Hero.
Convenient "badass / hero-making" moment for Travis to man up by beating the soldier, when he was damn near a coward up to the point of leaving the neighborhood.
Rick Grimes...watch out!
The addict: Soooo...being a junkie is like fighting to survive in the zombie apocalypse where mass cannibalism is THE human civilization game changer?!? ...and now with everyone "catching up" to him, I imagine that will make him most capable of navigating through the dual threats of zombies and humans.
...and Liza was Redshirted.
Will this push Meredith to take Camera Lad as her own--or will he just end up with Alicia in his grief, while blaming Travis?
Will Travis see Liza's ghost all throughout season two, tormenting him (or trying to send a message) like that other guy's dead wife?
Would you risk going on a boat when you will need to go to the mainland for supplies, and the California coastline being...the California coastline, it should be overrun with zombies and violent scavengers soon enough, so how do you stock up? Who runs maintenance on the ship? Where are the extra gas, oil and supplies for that?
Alright, which series ended on a better note: TWD season 1 or FTWD season 1?
I wouldn't say that it was a great finale, but it was the best episode so far. Something actually HAPPENED.
Still---letting thousands of zombies out just to rescue three people? That is a total dick move---and a stupid one, at that. And why not try to hotwire another car in the garage (we've seen junkie-boy do it) so they don't have to ride in an open truck?
And how in the hell did tortured-soldier-boyfriend get to the base so quickly on foot and by himself, especially when all the soldiers were bugging out? That was really dumb, the way he just popped up, right there at the exact same time, out of nowhere, in a city the size of LA.
Hubby LOVES this show but I'm not feeling it. Still feels very lame to me.
I did NOT want to watch The Walking Dead when it first came on; hubby made me. But you know what? I loved it, because it was interesting, well-written, with good characters. It grabbed me right from the go. This one? Not so much. I don't really like or care about any of the characters and wouldn't care at all if it got cancelled. So far, for me, it's just adding up to a big pile of "Meh."
Still---letting thousands of zombies out just to rescue three people? That is a total dick move---and a stupid one, at that. And why not try to hotwire another car in the garage (we've seen junkie-boy do it) so they don't have to ride in an open truck?
And how in the hell did tortured-soldier-boyfriend get to the base so quickly on foot and by himself, especially when all the soldiers were bugging out? That was really dumb, the way he just popped up, right there at the exact same time, out of nowhere, in a city the size of LA.
Hubby LOVES this show but I'm not feeling it. Still feels very lame to me.
I did NOT want to watch The Walking Dead when it first came on; hubby made me. But you know what? I loved it, because it was interesting, well-written, with good characters. It grabbed me right from the go. This one? Not so much. I don't really like or care about any of the characters and wouldn't care at all if it got cancelled. So far, for me, it's just adding up to a big pile of "Meh."
